I'm Famous!! [Nurburgring Trip2023 - Whoopsie at Brunnchen]
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I’ve experienced exactly what happened to you on a few occasions on track (except for the wipers of courseEd Doe said:-Tom- said:The onboard looks mad, looks like you made the difference keeping it in one piece! The water bottle though, how many times I have one doing that in mine, and can't reach it, or break a rib trying
It does grip up oddly, that's why I was wondering about TC or something intervening, although super sports can be properly grippy when they're warm. The panic to get out of the car at the end
Yeah it was a bit 'frantic' :lol: I'm relatively comfortable with the car moving around underneath me but that went very big very fast, and on the most watched corner on probably any racetrack in the world
The way it let go and then gripped felt quite inconsistent to me, not like it had felt all weekend, or indeed at any other trackday. I still swear by supersports as one of the best dry grip road tyres which can cope with a bit of track time - it's not a track tyre however so I do think I was possibly expecting too much of it, and I think there may have been a component of them being a bit overheated, not to mention they were 8 years old too, so past their best..!
Yeah the panic was due to the sudden onset of a clatter from the engine bay.... I think it was the exhaust blowing in the end, it was gone after a few mins cooling off in the carpark, and when I took the manifold off over winter it was cracked almost completely through at the joint for the midpipe, as well as slightly blowing from one of the gaskets on the engine.
Tc was definitely fully off so yep definitely an odd one, fortunately no harm done either way. Still cant wait to go back, hopefully next year (if the wife remains ignorant of this at least :lol: )
). It’s always been with very soft compound track tyres and several laps into a session where confidence can easily exceed competence. When hot, the zone of transition between ridiculously high levels of grip and snap oversteer is very narrow. With a decent suspension setup and aggressive geometry, there is little roll or other clue that the limit of grip is fast approaching, so when grip is exceeded it happens at high loads and very suddenly. It’s the same with full slicks except the speeds are even higher. Steering into a slide corrects it to some extent but when the sticky tyres suddenly grip again, the correction is excessive. Due to the short wheel base of our cars, at high speed I’ve often found it spears back the other way. The problem is much less on normal road tyres that don’t “dig in” again so aggressively after the initial slide is corrected.
You did well to save it and were certainly very fortunate the barrier wasn’t a little closer!
ETA as for the wife in ignorance, again you’re fortunate! Since we had kids, my wife mutters darkly about “unnecessary toys” and “stupid risk-taking” every time I try to venture towards a track… I tend to keep my head down most of the time and count the days until my kids are old enough to be on my side of the argument (not long now - one of my 18 month old son’s first words was “car-car” and both he and my 4 year old daughter are speed obsessed already).
BMWZ4MC said:I’ve experienced exactly what happened to you on a few occasions on track (except for the wipers of course
Steering into a slide corrects it to some extent but when the sticky tyres suddenly grip again, the correction is excessive. Due to the short wheel base of our cars, at high speed I’ve often found it spears back the other way. The problem is much less on normal road tyres that don’t “dig in” again so aggressively after the initial slide is corrected.
You did well to save it and were certainly very fortunate the barrier wasn’t a little closer!
ETA as for the wife in ignorance, again you’re fortunate! Since we had kids, my wife mutters darkly about “unnecessary toys” and “stupid risk-taking” every time I try to venture towards a track… I tend to keep my head down most of the time and count the days until my kids are old enough to be on my side of the argument (not long now - one of my 18 month old son’s first words was “car-car” and both he and my 4 year old daughter are speed obsessed already).
yeah all fair points those - the wierd thing was the tyres were just Pilot Supersports so I'd have expected the oversteer to be more progressive, and more telegraphed, but yeah I guess the aggressive geo etc. negated that! Oh well, I've now got some proper semi-slicks so look forward to even more snappiness! :lol:
My wife has been very supportive of my stupid toys so far, we'll see if that changes once the kids are into school....!! Fortunately my son is already on my side - every sunny day he's like 'Daddy can you pick me up from nursery in the race car today?' :lol: He get's me in trouble with Mazz when we get home though 'Daddy overtook this car and this car and this car and a lorry mummy!' :roll: I need to teach him about keeping his mouth shut!
Vanne said:Nice save matesaw you come by a few laps earlier too. I gotta say, parts of the circuit look really busy.. I mean really. Looked like you were having a ball out there man.
Cheers mate! where did you spot me, I didn't see any clips of my car besides the spin?!
Yeah TF days at the ring can be mental busy. It was busier this year when I went, I think because it was so bloody wet, that the minute the sun came out and the track dried everyone was out. It was queueing 3-4 lanes wide all the way down the Dottinger Hohe straight, bonkers!
Vanne said:ah, my bad man, around 1:40 theres another Mcoupe, but this one is with a apr wing. id prob recon one of your mates?
Aah no worries. Yeah that's a local German dude, I don't know him but believe he's now sold it on. It's actually a 3.0si with some of the M bumpers etc. Quick car for sure either way!
Liverpool
I'm lucky in that I've only ever had one 'big' moment, in the rain, and it was in an area where you don't get many/any photographers.
Started to accelerate out of Bergwerk into the 'straight' Kesselchen climb, got through that fine and started to accelerate on the straight bit before the first left-hand kink. Got just over the crest before 11km board when the car just lost grip on one tyre and spun me up the track doing a 360.
Through no skill of my own the car stopped still on the black stuff and I carried on to the end of the lap a lot more slowly. Got it to a local garage to check it over and couldn't find anything obvious wrong with the tyres, suspension, electronics.
It was all very strange, and we did a few hours of driving around the local area to see if we could trigger something, but nothing. Next time out I tried to provoke it to do something similar in the same area, but it was planted, so don't know what happened (maybe a bit of oil that had since cleared up)?
Started to accelerate out of Bergwerk into the 'straight' Kesselchen climb, got through that fine and started to accelerate on the straight bit before the first left-hand kink. Got just over the crest before 11km board when the car just lost grip on one tyre and spun me up the track doing a 360.
Through no skill of my own the car stopped still on the black stuff and I carried on to the end of the lap a lot more slowly. Got it to a local garage to check it over and couldn't find anything obvious wrong with the tyres, suspension, electronics.
It was all very strange, and we did a few hours of driving around the local area to see if we could trigger something, but nothing. Next time out I tried to provoke it to do something similar in the same area, but it was planted, so don't know what happened (maybe a bit of oil that had since cleared up)?