How old are you and am I too young to drive G29?

sars said:
[ref]buzyg[/ref], I don’t disagree with the points you’ve made, but comparing the difference between a e85 and g29 when there’s less than 10% weight difference is not like comparing a Z4M with a Caterham 7 but you wouldn’t want the latter as your daily drive.

My wife had an early SLK followed by an E85 and when we decided that it was my turn to have a two seater and her the family saloon the sensible option would have been to swap cars but I hated her E85 as the ride was awful on anything but the smoothest of tarmac roads and I preferred to keep my fillings in my teeth and not have them shaken out.

I only bought a G29 now as all of the road tests said that it was far more civilized to drive and I am happy to see that they were correct
 
[ref]Ian J[/ref], I agree it’s a much nicer and smoother drive, but I think that it handles better. This must be due to development in components and setup?
 
I can understand the move to the G29, when I moved from the E85 to the 911, it was the ride comfort which was what my wife noticed the most (despite going to 20” wheels).
I really like the look of it
 
[ref]q96169we[/ref], There are issues you raised that I do agree with, wether OEM’s intentionally design limited lifespans, seems a stretch given the propensity of it backfiring. If you read the posts on here about common failures, I don’t seem to see many that are purely technology related, there’s the e89 glitch caused by a battery that’s failing, however, by and large most failures are mechanical, electromechanical or sensors in not very hospitable conditions.

I would be interested in knowing the failure rate of solid state devices based on wear and tear only i.e. not where they’ve failed due to over current, moisture or short circuit
 
We use solid state devices in our products and the life span of those is directly related to the quality of the products used. Not even the price, some vendors are just better than others.

Of the 1000+ units sold, there is one brand that has never failed and there is one that we can unfortunately predict the life span. They 99% perform the identical amount of functions per day.
 
Argyll Andy said:
ori said:
As for what will a g29 be like in 10 years

Given my current rate of Zed turnover this may not be a concern for me, the stuff all works while I’ve got it :lol:

I was thinking what a silly comment it is to make about what our cars will be like in 10 years. I mean odds of us owning them?

Engines last longer now than ever before. 30-40 years ago, a car reaching 100,000 miles was impressive. We assume all cars will do that now easily and more.

As for parts lifespan. During the course of the production of any model, parts get revised to improve them. E89 headlights had countless revisions to fix known issues. Same with the shocks I believe? I’m sure there are many parts that are found to be weak links are are updated accordingly.
 
[ref]sars[/ref], I'm not able to give you a definite answer about the lifespan of semi-conductor components as there are simply too many factors that can affect that. However, I can give some of my thoughts on this in three categories of components that you can find in all our cars:

1. Digital component
For this type of component, if it's properly made and tested, I would expect them to last 10, or 20+ years. What's usually failed is the peripherals (e.g resistor, capasitor on the PCB or PCB itself). However, the yield rate from the foundry varies. The design of DFT within the chip varies. And the test pattern generated to test the chip also varies. Therefore, the variation of the lifespan is also quite big. This is as what [ref]pvr[/ref] said, for the same stuff (functional-wise), one brand sometime last much longer than others. However, for automotive grade component, I think they will last much longer than the rest of the car as long as it's working within the designed circumstances (like you said, temp, humidity etc.).

2. Flash memory
The lifespan of these type of components depends heavily on the number of erase cycles. Let's give a very brief example here. Assume the flash size is 16GB and your navi map is also 16GB, and each map update requires erasing all existing data then write new data in. In this case, you can expect some data errors after you update the map 1000-3000 times (if it's TLC type). Then, this is just an example. In reality, a lot things may need to write to the flash memory. The famous real example is the Flash memory issue in older Tesla. As the car logs so many things to the flash, many reports of the flash in the head unit failed after 3-5 years and need to be replaced.

3. Analogue device or devices involve analogue components
As you mentioned, many older cars suffer from faulty sensors. I usually categorise sensors as analogue devices. It measure certain parameters then translate/convert to another format (usually digital signals). My work doesn't involve analogue devices at all so I don't have too much experience to talk about the lifespan. However, what I've observed is that this type of device also last for a long time (10+ years) but with the age increase, its reading usually drifts a lot and can be affected by the environment a lot. From a vehicle control module's perspective, if certain sensor gives a reading outside the design tolerence, then we can consider it as a component failure.
 
pvr said:
I can understand the move to the G29, when I moved from the E85 to the 911, it was the ride comfort which was what my wife noticed the most

We moved from the E85 to a Boxster and the ride comfort was improved tremendously. I've often thought that BMW should have the suspension designed by Alpina on all their cars as they seem to be much better at it on the ride comfort side at least
 
[ref]q96169we[/ref], I seem to recall that the number of start/stop cycles has a bigger impact on electronics then time usage too.

One thing I do believe isn’t as good for sure is paint. With old leaded paint, it was far more resistant to stone chips. I’m not sure how modern paint compares to the older in other aspects, but hardness it lack for sure.
 
ori said:
One thing I do believe isn’t as good for sure is paint. With old leaded paint, it was far more resistant to stone chips.
We've got 6 cylinders in the car. We should at least sacrifice a little bit for the environment. :rofl: :rofl:

BTW, any thought on PPF? I was thinking about having them applied to the car. But many places quoted between £3000-£4000 for the whole car, which I think is a bit expensive.
 
ori said:
q96169we, I seem to recall that the number of start/stop cycles has a bigger impact on electronics then time usage too.
Two things here when you say electronics. If you referred to electronics as a whole (e.g headunit), then each power cycle will create impact to the components and some components may give up sooner than others. These are usually the peripherals to support the semi-conductor components.
But if you referred electronics to semi-conductor component, I believe it's the phenomenon of electromigration. It basically means the material used to construct the circuit being blown away by the current flow through it. Eventually, the connection is broken as no material left at certain point. The impact of power cycle will indeed accelerate the blown away rate. This back to the first point of why we need a lot peripherals to support the semi-conductor components. Their working window is so narrow (after balancing a lot of factors including the electromigration rate) that we must carefully treat everything that's fed to them. But, once they are working within the window, it can outlast almost all other components.
When Sars asked about the lifespan of solid state component, I thought she referred to semi-conductor components.
 
q96169we said:
ori said:
One thing I do believe isn’t as good for sure is paint. With old leaded paint, it was far more resistant to stone chips.
We've got 6 cylinders in the car. We should at least sacrifice a little bit for the environment. :rofl: :rofl:

BTW, any thought on PPF? I was thinking about having them applied to the car. But many places quoted between £3000-£4000 for the whole car, which I think is a bit expensive.

The paint thing was just an observation. Of course we had to get rid of lead.

Now PPF. Some people swear by it. My mate had his black Porsche covered with a satin finish and it looked great.
Good PPF is very expensive and does offer a high level of protection, but the cost is the same as 2 full resprays and if it’s just the front spray then about 10!

If you track the car regularly then yeah I get it.
I don’t and can’t justify that cost.
Also if you do have a little knock you will need to have the whole side stripped off snd resprayed and then reapply and insurance won’t cover that.

Oh and a bad PPF looks awful so if you are doing it, got with the good ones.
 
q96169we said:
We've got 6 cylinders in the car. We should at least sacrifice a little bit for the environment. :rofl: :rofl:

This is the G29 forum not the M40i forum and not all of us have six cylinders :D
 
Ian J said:
q96169we said:
We've got 6 cylinders in the car. We should at least sacrifice a little bit for the environment. :rofl: :rofl:

This is the G29 forum not the M40i forum and not all of us have six cylinders :D

And if I wasn’t such an idiot and wanted 6 cylinders I would have made the sensible choice and gone for the more economical 4 cylinders.
Having drives a 30i I have to say that I was impressed with its performance. Not tried a 20i.
 
q96169we said:
BTW, any thought on PPF? I was thinking about having them applied to the car. But many places quoted between £3000-£4000 for the whole car, which I think is a bit expensive

Really considered it, through circumstances at the precise time of getting my car never did it. Almost instantly wished I had and next car already arranged for getting done immediately after pick up. Discussed this the other day, was told only front needs done on ours unless you’ve got a specific reason for doing the whole car?

As said previously it must be a good one Byron (Beedub) is the man to speak too :thumbsup:
 
Argyll Andy said:
q96169we said:
BTW, any thought on PPF? I was thinking about having them applied to the car. But many places quoted between £3000-£4000 for the whole car, which I think is a bit expensive

Really considered it, through circumstances at the precise time of getting my car never did it. Almost instantly wished I had and next car already arranged for getting done immediately after pick up. Discussed this the other day, was told only front needs done on ours unless you’ve got a specific reason for doing the whole car?

As said previously it must be a good one Byron (Beedub) is the man to speak too :thumbsup:

Yes, I pm him as well. Also discussed with some of my local detailers. They all quote between £3000-£4000. Beedub uses suntek and my local detailers uses xpel. I think these two brands are both good quality. Somehow, I'm thinking either apply to full car or don't bother at all. I actually picked up a stone chip at the rear wheel arch (close to the soft-top area) on my way back from Cambridge after taking the delivery, which I considered to be a strange position to have stone chip. That's why I'm thinking whole car coverage.
 
Ian J said:
q96169we said:
We've got 6 cylinders in the car. We should at least sacrifice a little bit for the environment. :rofl: :rofl:

This is the G29 forum not the M40i forum and not all of us have six cylinders :D

Haha, this comment is for ori only as he started the "paint is not as good" topic and he got the m40i. :poke: :rofl: :rofl:
 
q96169we said:
Ian J said:
q96169we said:
We've got 6 cylinders in the car. We should at least sacrifice a little bit for the environment. :rofl: :rofl:

This is the G29 forum not the M40i forum and not all of us have six cylinders :D

Haha, this comment is for ori only as he started the "paint is not as good" topic and he got the m40i. :poke: :rofl: :rofl:

Now if I could get a v8 in there!!!! Love the rumble of a v8.
I’ve had my car just over a week and I’ve still only done 400 miles on it. Can’t open her up to get that beautiful sound out!

Ps. Still can’t figure out the auto handbrake. It seems to do it if I’m on a hill and switch the car off. On a flat it just leaves it in park. I may have to RTFM.
 
[ref]ori[/ref], have you got the Auto Hold activated? If on, there’s a little green LED bottom right of the switches next to the electronic brake.
 
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