Hamilton's best race? Nah!

[BeeEmm]

I have read reports this morning that yesterday's race in Brazil was Hamilton's greatest. I can't agree for two reasons.

He had by far the fastest car on track, and I mean the fastest
The two DRS zones, where most of the overtaking took place are the easiest places of all the tracks to pass

I am not saying he is not a great driver, but this wasn't his greatest race. This was though, even though he was lucky to survive, turning on track in front of approaching cars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSKkRMNJIdE

 

[304frp]

A new power unit aided him NO END !

 

[buzyg]

I have read reports this morning that yesterday's race in Brazil was Hamilton's greatest. I can't agree for two reasons.

He had by far the fastest car on track, and I mean the fastest
The two DRS zones, where most of the overtaking took place are the easiest places of all the tracks to pass

I am not saying he is not a great driver, but this wasn't his greatest race. This was though, even though he was lucky to survive, turning on track in front of approaching cars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSKkRMNJIdE

But he also had by far the fastest car on track for that humble GP2 race against less skilled opposition. :?

The more important similarity though, is that he is such a skilled and fast racing driver. Which is why they give him the best car, he has earned it and all that goes with it. Similar applies to Max, now he starting to mature to add to his natural speed. The pair of them are great drivers and the fact they have both had fast cars this year has made it the first close F1 season in years, which is good for every one.

I think Max will win this year and though I am a Lewis supporter, in a way I hope Max does win. If he does not, then he has both Lewis and Russel to battle next year. If Russel proves to be quicker than the now aging Lewis, then Max might be waiting even longer.

Cracking weekend of F1. I would not have said that at any point last season.

 

[sp3ctre]

I hated that race because I ended up rooting for Hamilton... not done that in years since he decided to constantly try and distract us from enjoying watching an afternoon of motor racing.

Hamilton is one of those drivers where the further you put him towards the back of the grid the more chance he has of winning.... providing he can dodge some of the idiots toward the back.

Well done Hamilton... now let me get back to supporting anyone else, lol.

 

[BeeEmm]

But he also had by far the fastest car on track for that humble GP2 race against less skilled opposition.

Indeed buzyg, but the difference I am making, is that most of the GP2 overtakes were due to out braking the other drivers and positioning intelligently for the corners, whereas the Brazil overtakes were 'fly pasts'. Remember, I am not knocking him.

 

[enuff_zed]

But he also had by far the fastest car on track for that humble GP2 race against less skilled opposition.

Indeed buzyg, but the difference I am making, is that most of the GP2 overtakes were due to out braking the other drivers and positioning intelligently for the corners, whereas the Brazil overtakes were 'fly pasts'. Remember, I am not knocking him.

Just worth pointing out that Bottas, in identical machinery, never got close enough to MV to try a 'flypast'.....................apart from the reverse one at the start

 

[sp3ctre]

Just worth pointing out that Bottas, in identical machinery, never got close enough to MV to try a 'flypast'.....................apart from the reverse one at the start

Although Hamilton had a brand new engine... not sure how much of a difference that made though. From an outsiders point of view I just want to see Hamilton in a Ferrari or Maclaren, then I may start supporting him.

 

[BeeEmm]

Although Hamilton had a brand new engine... not sure how much of a difference that made though. From an outsiders point of view I just want to see Hamilton in a Ferrari or Maclaren, then I may start supporting him.

I want to see him in a HAAS, then we will really see how good he is. I remember Hamilton being asked, will Vettel win a fourth World Championship. His answer was, of course he will, he has got the fastest car, hasn't he. This suggested that Vettel wasn't the best driver but he had the best car which negated some skill requirements from the driver.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Although Hamilton had a brand new engine... not sure how much of a difference that made though. From an outsiders point of view I just want to see Hamilton in a Ferrari or Maclaren, then I may start supporting him.

This.

I dont like hammy, I didnt mind him as much before but once he went woke I just cant stand him. (having the car changed to black for "mUh DiVeRsItY" is just pathetic) He is arrogant and self-obsessed with token "thanks" being trotted out to the fans every race (though he hadnt done it for a couple of races). He very much holds the golden boy position in F1.

He has talent that much is obvious but I do not put him on the same level as the true greats. He got himself into the right car and that's why he kept winning. The argument around team mates is a perfectly valid one but I think Britney (I mean Rosberg) is an example of when a team mate isnt willing to bow to his royal ham they can and do beat him. Nico's immediate retirement for me spoke to the poisonous environment in Merc with the star child ham being the only thing that mattered. After that with Bottas he never really was anywhere and its blatantly obvious he was very much 2nd fiddle to hammy.

I am very much looking forward to Russell getting into the mix, I just hope that the team doesnt destroy him for hammy's sake.
I also hope that the 2021 car has a "reset" effect and we see a more balanced grid in terms of the cars. At the moment its Merc or RB with no one else really even close.

 

[sp3ctre]

I am very much looking forward to Russell getting into the mix, I just hope that the team doesnt destroy him for hammy's sake.
I also hope that the 2021 car has a "reset" effect and we see a more balanced grid in terms of the cars. At the moment its Merc or RB with no one else really even close.

Yes, I would like to see Russel compete, although if he does Hamilton will not like it at all. It'd be amazing to see McLaren, Ferrari, Mercedes and Red Bull all competing next year, although I suspect that may not be the case.

In my mind in order to prove you are the best driver you need to able to step up in any of the top 3-4 teams and still win... just look at Michael Schumacher! You can argue that Hamilton hasn't anything to prove, but it would certainly win him some respect if he did move to a lower team.

 

[Pondrew]

Hamilton is the best driver of his generation (or possibly ever), that cannot be disputed. I don't understand why it is trendy to dislike him :? I suspect none of them are very nice people, otherwise they wouldn't be at that level. The boy gets jeered at many tracks nowadays; for what?
Lewis should be supported by us IMO because A). He is British and B). He got where he is through pure talent, not how rich his dad is, or who his dad knows in the game, or what his surname is, or all of the above.
He is now old for an F1 driver, has won everything, certainly doesn't need the money and yet still pulls out brilliant performances time after time.
I hope Russell does well (he is a local boy to me too) but I will be surprised if he is better than Hammy in the same car.
As for yesterday; look at Bottas. Same car, same everything. Started pole, ended a mile behind Lewis who started 10th.

 

[buzyg]

Hamilton is the best driver of his generation (or possibly ever), that cannot be disputed. I don't understand why it is trendy to dislike him :? I suspect none of them are very nice people, otherwise they wouldn't be at that level. The boy gets jeered at many tracks nowadays; for what?
Lewis should be supported by us IMO because A). He is British and B). He got where he is through pure talent, not how rich his dad is, or who his dad knows in the game, or what his surname is, or all of the above.
He is now old for an F1 driver, has won everything, certainly doesn't need the money and yet still pulls out brilliant performances time after time.
I hope Russell does well (he is a local boy to me too) but I will be surprised if he is better than Hammy in the same car.
As for yesterday; look at Bottas. Same car, same everything. Started pole, ended a mile behind Lewis who started 10th.

Well said, with you all the way. I enjoyed watching Michael, until he ran Button off the road, because he could. Something I don't think Lewis has ever done as arrogantly. Heck! these folk live in a competitive world that we can only imagine. Lewis has survived in that world and been at the pinnacle of it for as long, if not longer that any before him. That get's my respect every day of the week, whatever I think of his off grid woke politics.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Hamilton is the best driver of his generation (or possibly ever), that cannot be disputed. I don't understand why it is trendy to dislike him :? I suspect none of them are very nice people, otherwise they wouldn't be at that level. The boy gets jeered at many tracks nowadays; for what?
Lewis should be supported by us IMO because A). He is British and B). He got where he is through pure talent, not how rich his dad is, or who his dad knows in the game, or what his surname is, or all of the above.
He is now old for an F1 driver, has won everything, certainly doesn't need the money and yet still pulls out brilliant performances time after time.
I hope Russell does well (he is a local boy to me too) but I will be surprised if he is better than Hammy in the same car.
As for yesterday; look at Bottas. Same car, same everything. Started pole, ended a mile behind Lewis who started 10th.

Based on what metric?
If I am in my E86 and you are in your Skoda and we race and I beat you over and over and over again am I the greatest driver out of the two of us because I kept winning? Or would that be a stupid assumption because I had a big advantage in terms of the car?

Lando Norris appears to be a nice person, as does Danny Ric and Russell hasnt given any vibes to make me dislike him so to say that none of them are nice people is just wrong.

Couldnt care less if he is British or not (though remind me where he lives...?), your ethnicity or national identity doesn't excuse you from being a moany insufferable c**t
His dad was also not exactly poor, I know at the age of 6 my family were struggling to buy Christmas presents never mind just buying me a go kart. Thats not even to mention the running of that kart or all the travelling involved with races. So to try and suggest his family was somehow dirt poor is just false, was his daddy a millionaire? No but he wasnt poor either, very much middle class. Speaking of wealth, he is now unbelievably wealthy yet all these noble causes he proports to be so very deeply concerned with such as helping young drivers, the environment etc. I dont see him starting any sort of trust for young talent or retiring and living in a hovel in the woods to save the world.

 

[enuff_zed]

Based on what metric?
If I am in my E86 and you are in your Skoda and we race and I beat you over and over and over again am I the greatest driver out of the two of us because I kept winning? Or would that be a stupid assumption because I had a big advantage in terms of the car?

But if we were both given a kart and told to race each other over several years, gradually working our way up and the better driver would be rewarded with a better car, because the rich people who owned the better car wanted the better driver to be in it?

 

[Flyingfifer]

But if we were both given a kart and told to race each other over several years, gradually working our way up and the better driver would be rewarded with a better car, because the rich people who owned the better car wanted the better driver to be in it?

A valid argument but then when the rules change (v6 T hybrid era) and the two Karts that we have become uncompetitive with each other and you are in the team whos kart is superior, to call you the GOAT because you win in the superior kart all the time is, imo, incorrect.

RB has only this year been able to bring a car that is close to the merc as a whole package and Max is winning

 

[enuff_zed]

But if we were both given a kart and told to race each other over several years, gradually working our way up and the better driver would be rewarded with a better car, because the rich people who owned the better car wanted the better driver to be in it?

A valid argument but then when the rules change (v6 T hybrid era) and the two Karts that we have become uncompetitive with each other and you are in the team whos kart is superior, to call you the GOAT because you win in the superior kart all the time is, imo, incorrect.

Ah but I was so much better I was already in a better kart long before the rules changed.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Ah but I was so much better I was already in a better kart long before the rules changed.

 

[Z4M-2006]

Hamilton is a great driver,in fact all the F1 drivers are..

They all drive at at a level us mere mortals could only dream of.. But Hamiltons car is just faster then everyone elses...

Remember when Russell had a go in it and went from a nobody to a potential race winner and would have been if bad luck didnt come his way.

 

[enuff_zed]

But Hamiltons car is just faster then everyone elses...

Except Bottas'. I say again, where was he? A wingman that dives out of the opposition's way and makes no attempt (or is unable) to take second place away from that terribly slow Red Bull?

 

[Pondrew]

your ethnicity or national identity doesn't excuse you from being a moany insufferable c**t

You don't have to like him, I don't have any feelings one way or the other as I don't know him.
Using the age old 'reason' of only winning because you're in the best and fastest car is not fair. He is only in the best car because the team wanted him there because he is the best talent. He won his first championship in 2008 when McLaren didn't have the best car.
He has consistently beaten his team-mates (whoever that may be) apart from one year when Rosberg pipped him and then instantly retired (suspicious). Alonso quit the team and threw his dummy out because Hamilton was consistently beating him.
Richard Hamilton had three jobs to fund Lewis's karting. Hamilton was on Blue Peter as a 10 year old because he was such a talent even at that age.
You do not win 7 F1 world titles by being lucky, or in the right place at the right time, or happening to be in the best car.
Love him or loathe him, he is a fantastically talented racing driver. Look at Saturday; 15 places in 24 laps at 75 seconds a lap. That is phenomenal.
As you can tell I am a BIG fan!