Hamilton's best race? Nah!
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sars said:
Sars there is no way in this universe Hammy is better than Fangio, Clark, Senna and with respect you can't say that about Schumacher either. he did what no one else did with the amount of technical work he put in. There are plenty of documented accounts of him being at Fiarano until 2am, getting pizzas for the engineers at midnight himself, then rocking up for testing at 7am. He used to de-brief until 10-11pm post races many a time. He built up an uncompetitive car with the engineers until they got to where they were in his Ferrari heyday. Vettel had Adrian Newy, as well as being at the time a top driver, Hammy has never had a slow F1 car, after McLaren he walked into Merc after he was told about an engine trick that no one else had which was the turbo impeller shaft running between the engine V so the compressor wheel was as c!ose as possible to the cylinder head thus eliminating tubing and lag. He doesn't stay for hrs after a race de-brefing. He's had the car built for him, and yes he's utilised it as he's very very good but a great...? Nope, he's never been run close in an F1 car apart from Britney whose also not a great but was always snapping at his heels and often beating him. Alonso was his own worst enemy at times, but he's pulled out performances that have belied the car, Hammy has just made the best of the best car like many others. If he hadn't won at Interlagos you'd wonder why given the track layout with the drs zones and a fresh engine. It's tit for tat this year as both Merc and RB are so close technically, it's often the track layout suiting the different rake angles the two cars have along with the two best drivers using them to the fullest. Verstappen has had 3dnf's to Hams 1, and is still 14 points clear, all things being equal he's already world champ, but of course that's not how motor racing works so the last 3 should be epic I hope...!!
You kind of missed my point, maybe put it wrong. The whole argument is hypothetical as Max and Lewis are never going to race on the same team. What I was trying to get across was that you have to compare how fast/skilled they where at the same point in their respective careers to get the race we would all love to see. In reality that will never happen, as Lewis is a chunk older and more experienced than Max.Flyingfifer said:john-e89 said:
As has Vettel.
Also the claim that age is some big limiting factor doesn't really hold water, there are much older F1 champions than hammy. Hill, Prost, Mansell and ok F1 now and F1 then are very different but I would argue that's not actually in favour of being more difficult for older people now than then, the cars now are far less physical in terms of having to wrestle the car while working the clutch as well as the brakes and throttle and changing gear. Experience is also a huge asset in F1 so older more experienced drivers have an advantage.
One important reason the older drivers have more points than their young gun team mates, is that they take less risks/ make better decisions, based on experience and therefore on average finish higher at the chequered flag. Qualification is a better yard stick for out right speed, but even then the greater experience can mean better set up and therefore a faster car than a young gun team mate is driving. I hope I explained my point better in there somewhere.
[ref]Smartbear[/ref], First, Hamilton/Mercedes went with a low drag setup, sacrificing time in the middle sector for speed in the long drag up in the hill and start straight, Verstappen/Red Bull went the other way, the Red Bull is strong on some circuits and the Mercedes on others, however both cars are closely matched and for the first time in many years we are relishing a close competition between teams. Second, within twenty laps he’d moved up fifteen positions on a short track that’s 72 seconds long, that is some feat and I’m not alone in thinking this.
[ref]john-e89[/ref], look old man, you might remember watching Fangio in action but I’ve only seen clips of his greatest hits, I’m not sure you can compare skills, back in the day, it was about who had the biggest cohoneys plus talent that one championships, they certainly were not athletes and had to suffer the forces that modern era F1 cars produced from the late 80’s onwards. As for Schumacher, whilst he certainly had talent, he was no sportsman.
[ref]john-e89[/ref], look old man, you might remember watching Fangio in action but I’ve only seen clips of his greatest hits, I’m not sure you can compare skills, back in the day, it was about who had the biggest cohoneys plus talent that one championships, they certainly were not athletes and had to suffer the forces that modern era F1 cars produced from the late 80’s onwards. As for Schumacher, whilst he certainly had talent, he was no sportsman.
Scubaregs said:
Its this lassie...
If Hamiltons speed surplus on the straight was as simple as a low drag set up then all the cars would be able to enjoy this advantage, there’s more to it than that as the other F1 cars can’t get near it https://www.planetf1.com/news/helmut-marko-fears-max-verstappen-disadvantage/
Rob
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sars said:
Scubaregs said:Whenever my Fiancée berates my lack of fashion sense , I show her pictures like this and she realises how lucky she is.
A very reasonable comparison
I saw something that pointed out that he basically dresses like a hobo/mental patient but because hes rich its just accepted :roll:
Spaldingski
What she said.sars said:
Can't believe there are arguments over Lewis's talent. Where have you all been for the past 14 years?
Don't care what he wears, don't care what he is promoting off circuit, don't care about anything except he is an awesome racing driver and for me the best ever. With the emphasis on RACING!
Pondrew said:
lol, ok bro
When you are in a car that only has one real competitor team but even then you have an almost 30kph advantage on the straight over them plus you pass a bunch of people in a quali sprint that put up zero fight at all its hardly some miraculous god tier drive. Hammy is undeniably talented but he is lightyears off being the "greatest driver in F1 history" in terms of actual talent and ability.
"best driver eva in all of history"
sp3ctre said:
What Schumacher did to Hill, a deliberate act of malice to win a championship, bares no comparison to getting your elbows out, either defending or overtaking, I’m with many that’s racing and no Verstappen shouldn’t have got a penalty for the incident at turn 4, only if Hamilton had been compromised.
