Going, going gone!
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john-e89 said:
I'm wondering if you actually believe the nonsense you've written there. Perhaps you don't realise that May's soft Brexit, meant that we shared EU Standards, that is the legislation that governs the way we produce stuff, which meant that we could continue trading with the EU without customs checks and thus no border between the UK and the EU. Boris's version that he pushed through was such that we can develop our own standards, the upside to this is was a possible trade deal with the USA, because we would accept their standards, where the EU will not. However, this meant not accepting EU standards (that we help write) and thus border and customs checks are required, culminating in the Northern Ireland Protocol such that we did not break the Good Friday Agreement. He bet all our futures on a trade agreement with America and Trump, that was the plan and look where we are now. Creating our own standards, replacing the CE mark with the UKCA mark has created such an unnecessary complication and cost.
I hope we get someone with more of a pro European slant, I'm not saying lets rejoin, but rather let's stop antagonizing them and work together to solve the issues we have with the current agreement. I'd really like to see the original four ideals in place again.
sars said:
I completely agree. No political party (and I include Labour) seems able to summon up the nerve to tell the public the ugly truth about Brexit which is that we were far better off in than we are out. That being the case we have 2 realistic options left open to us - either accept the status quo and the permanent and very significant hit to GDP and trade that entails or go for a Norway type agreement where we are subjugated rule takers with no influence on how they are set. Sadly, because I don't think we will go back in during our lifetimes, it's Johnson's only lasting legacy. The really unforgivable thing is that he didn't believe in Brexit either, shamelessly using it as a route to power with no regard for the consequences.
Not all bad when I flew to Italy on my Dutch passport and my wife with her Irish one. We could skip the entire queue of people to use the non British queue. The non EU queue was hours …
Joking apart, it is bad for British passport holders in Europe now in all aspects.
Joking apart, it is bad for British passport holders in Europe now in all aspects.
Scubaregs said:
No, Wales will give them dipstick - he would be great, 50mph on motorways to ease pollution but actually create mow with 7 miles tailbacks every morning / evening and his bight new idea 20mph on built up roads and Imean all not just by schools, no one will have a licence left by this time next year and just to beat Scubaregs, we will pay you take him
sars said:
Well whoopdie doo Sars....who would have known all we had to do was call you up and.....hey presto....issue over.
I'm so glad all you armchair analysts have all the answers as usual....it's so easy it seems that you lot could name your price on the cheque to solve all the problems....leaves me wondering why you lot that have all the answers don't do it all the time and save the economy, world poverty, climate change and have the time left over for a g & t before supper....cheers :drinkwine:
[ref]john-e89[/ref],
Sarcasm aside, I’ve spent the last two years making sure that our British company doesn’t lose 50% of our business, by having to duplicate our existing approvals so that we can still supply safety valves into our home market and it’s not just us, if you require third party product approval, it’s been a nightmare
So no I don’t have all the answers, but that one was obvious so we could get a trade deal with the USA, really it is as simple as that and when WE did start to complain our glorious leader said…..
F&£k business and proceeded to get rid of all the civil servants who tried to explain the difficulties to him,
Sarcasm aside, I’ve spent the last two years making sure that our British company doesn’t lose 50% of our business, by having to duplicate our existing approvals so that we can still supply safety valves into our home market and it’s not just us, if you require third party product approval, it’s been a nightmare
So no I don’t have all the answers, but that one was obvious so we could get a trade deal with the USA, really it is as simple as that and when WE did start to complain our glorious leader said…..
F&£k business and proceeded to get rid of all the civil servants who tried to explain the difficulties to him,
Nanu said:
I think you'll find the illegality or otherwise of the Iraq war is very much disputed. Regardless of that, any loss of life is utterly tragic. I might compare the number of UK armed forces deaths in that war to the tens of thousands who probably died due to the poor handling of the pandemic but I'll wait until the official enquiry reports.
Yes I was aware of Claudia Webbe. She was expelled from the Labour party on the day of her conviction. As you probably know the labour party does not have the ability to remove her as an MP. Do you recall the case of Charlie Elphicke? had the whip withdrawn for alleged rape? was reinstated in order to allow him to vote in the Theresa May confidence vote before being convicted or the convicted child sexual abuser Amran Khan that led to the recent Wakefield by election? I don't condone law breaking from any MP of whatever political colour but my point about Johnson was that he is at the head of the country and should be held to the very highest standards because , as they say, a fish rots from the head down. His attempt to save Owen Patterson by changing the rules was a particularly egregious abuse of power. Standards in public office matter and he undermined them in the way no other PM has ever done.
Also aware that Starmer and Lammy, amongst others are under investigation by the standards committee - I believe these relate to late declaration of outside financial interests - not a good look for sure but one that's been shared by many MPs including Johnson himself who has already been reprimanded twice.
Stand by my personal assessment of him as our worst ever PM but history will certainly be a more reliable judge than you or I :wink:
