Frozen Paint

[Bobster67]

Hello all, I am interested to know how people are getting on with the frozen paint colours. I really like the look of the frozen orange and frozen grey. How are people finding them to live with?

Thanks

 

[ori]

I think frozen paint looks gorgeous. Really does make the car stand out. However, my valet really doesn’t like them. Told me they are a nightmare to maintain or repair.

 

[Bobster67]

Thanks Ori, that was my concern. Shame because they look stunning. Suspect it will be a red car for me then

 

[sars]

The two negatives that I researched was, you can’t polish them and that colour matching was problematic, you can’t touch up a small area so you have to spray a whole panel. The former seems ironic, why would you try and make your matte paint shine and so if you get a scratch it becomes a more costlier fix. Best suggestion is to ring someone like chipsaway and ask their advice.

That said there’s a gorgeous frozen grey M40i on autotrader that has the cognac interior, looks amazing and if I was with desire to get a new z, I would certainly be all over that regardless of the potential paint issue. You buy these cars with emotion, the heart not the head

 

[Argyll Andy]

I too have done a fair bit of research into this as I really like the frozen grey, like the FO too but currently got a VO so too close in colour.

I was told two things by a very respected detailer, who I trust implicitly, it’ll never be able to have small imperfections like scratches and stone chips touched up and recently he’d had a frozen paint almost new car directly from BMW to try to see if he “could do something with it” after they had tried to paint the side 3 times and the match was awful.

Now I only understand the very basics of this but it’s to do with the microns, a human cannot paint at the same number/level of microns as the car was originally painted at/in so there will always be a colour mismatch if a car is painted after leaving the factory. The one painted by a human will always have a shinier finish.

There was also a recent thread on here that got several comments and replies that the paint would also start to look tired at some point and unlike normal paint can’t be refreshed and smartened up which may make it very difficult to move on come resell time. This was something I hadn’t given a huge amount of thought too.

The other option I was given by the detailer is to PPF the whole car but that ain’t cheap and by the time you pay extra for the frozen paint then the PPF you’re adding a fairly hefty wedge onto the price of the car but if it’s a keeper you may feel it’s worth the expense

 

[Argyll Andy]

[ref]sars[/ref],

gorgeous frozen grey M40i on autotrader that has the cognac interior, looks amazing

Sars, it’s just as well we all like different things

I saw that on AT and my immediate thought was if they dropped 10 grand off that car the only reason I’d buy it is with the discount I’d be able to source a different colour interior and maybe still have a few quid left :rofl:

 

[Nictrix]

The other option I was given by the detailer is to PPF the whole car but that ain’t cheap and by the time you pay extra for the frozen paint then the PPF you’re adding a fairly hefty wedge onto the price of the car but if it’s a keeper you may feel it’s worth the expense

Does PPF on a frozen colour then make the car look polished?

 

[Argyll Andy]

The other option I was given by the detailer is to PPF the whole car but that ain’t cheap and by the time you pay extra for the frozen paint then the PPF you’re adding a fairly hefty wedge onto the price of the car but if it’s a keeper you may feel it’s worth the expense

Does PPF on a frozen colour then make the car look polished?

I did ask that and was told no, it doesn’t, it should still retain the matt finish. Never having used it before I honestly don’t have a clue and every time I look into this I’m more and more leaning away from it in any form, well I am, Kathleen’s not :rofl:

 

[Nictrix]

The other option I was given by the detailer is to PPF the whole car but that ain’t cheap and by the time you pay extra for the frozen paint then the PPF you’re adding a fairly hefty wedge onto the price of the car but if it’s a keeper you may feel it’s worth the expense

Does PPF on a frozen colour then make the car look polished?

I did ask that and was told no, it doesn’t, it should still retain the matt finish. Never having used it before I honestly don’t have a clue and every time I look into this I’m more and more leaning away from it in any form, well I am, Kathleen’s not :rofl:

I suppose Beedub would know more about this.
In my head I thought that sticking PPF over the frozen paint would give it a gloss as it doesnt remove the gloss from a normally painted car.
Unless you can get matt and satin PPF.

 

[Argyll Andy]

I suppose Beedub would know more about this.

That’s who I spoke too and was part of our discussion when I was asking multiple stupid questions. Iirc he said it might change it very slightly but would still have the frozen/Matt finish. He also advised only PPF’ing the front and wings, due to cost, and he would need to speak to GTech about the ceramic coating for the rest of the car as he thought that might give a shiny finish and look different to the PPF’d bits.

FWIW, he also told me it’s one of the most beautiful colours he’s ever seen but to avoid it because of the high maintenance. I’m very likely to go with his much valued advice, Kathleen on the other hand............................. :tumbleweed:

 

[sars]

Okay what colour is FWIW?

and yes there’s no accounting for tastes, I found the black interior of the zed quite dark and claustrophobic, at least with cognac it stays pretty clean whilst the white/red picks up the blue in jeans.

 

[Argyll Andy]

Okay what colour is FWIW?

and yes there’s no accounting for tastes, I found the black interior of the zed quite dark and claustrophobic, at least with cognac it stays pretty clean whilst the white/red picks up the blue in jeans.

:rofl: For what it’s worth in his opinion the frozen grey is lovely and it’s been our number one choice since we started looking at them, but keep steering away from it because of the reasons I listed re maintenance.

There was a FG M40i appeared yesterday, fully loaded, with all 5 options packs ticked but has Ivory interior and I have the exact same reasoning as you for discounting that, the transfer of colour from my jeans.

Just my personal choice that I don’t like the cognac as the ones I’ve seen in the flesh that have had it I didn’t like. The only one that looked ok in my opinion was a white and cognac combination.

As we’ve agreed, taste is a very personal thing and I for one am glad they can differ greatly otherwise it’d be a hell of a boring world if everyone liked the same thing

 

[sars]

Okay what colour is FWIW?

and yes there’s no accounting for tastes, I found the black interior of the zed quite dark and claustrophobic, at least with cognac it stays pretty clean whilst the white/red picks up the blue in jeans.

:rofl: For what it’s worth in his opinion the frozen grey is lovely and it’s been our number one choice since we started looking at them, but keep steering away from it because of the reasons I listed re maintenance.

There was a FG M40i appeared yesterday, fully loaded, with all 5 options packs ticked but has Ivory interior and I have the exact same reasoning as you for discounting that, the transfer of colour from my jeans.

Just my personal choice that I don’t like the cognac as the ones I’ve seen in the flesh that have had it I didn’t like. The only one that looked ok in my opinion was a white and cognac combination.

As we’ve agreed, taste is a very personal thing and I for one am glad they can differ greatly otherwise it’d be a hell of a boring world if everyone liked the same thing

Indeed, life would be boring if we all liked the same things, I’m just happy that I have my taste and not yours

Anyhow, what is FWIW? oke:

 

[Argyll Andy]

Indeed, life would be boring if we all liked the same things, I’m just happy that I have my taste and not yours

Anyhow, what is FWIW?

Touché :hattip:

Answered in the first 4 words of my previous post oke: :rofl:

 

[bellamor]

Orange is not my cup of tea when it comes to car color but it looks nice when it is on Frozen paint. :driving:

 

[Argyll Andy]

Orange is not my cup of tea when it comes to car color but it looks nice when it is on Frozen paint. :driving:

That can’t be right, you come from the Orange state oke: :rofl:

 

[Wyldie85]

I’ve seen frozen orange and frozen grey in the flesh and I like them both but given my slight ocd, it’s not a finish I could live with.
When I looked at the frozen grey one, there was a mark on the bonnet. The dealer took a handy spray from his pocket and gave it a good circular rub. Not only did he scratch the paint, he then made it shiny. That was the bonnet ruined within all of about ten seconds. This was at a large BMW dealership on the south coast. The manager then got involved and we were told the car couldn’t then be sold.

As others have mentioned, there’s the issue with repainting or dealing with scratches.

I also read about bird poo and insects. These must be removed immediately, otherwise they burn into the paint and then when removed, they leave a burned outline on the bodywork.

I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night with the maintenance involved. San Fran red with a black interior is enough upkeep for me.

 

[Argyll Andy]

[ref]Wyldie85[/ref],

Thanks for that, it has just confirmed all my fears and more and I’m only a tiny bit OCD when it comes to cars. But worrying about every scratch, bird poo, insect is just madness IMO.

Very interesting to hear that a 10 second wipe damaged the bonnet. Even though I was told they were high maintenance I honestly didn’t realise it was that easy to remove the matt finish.

Up here on the west coast if you go out for a spirited drive anytime in the summer the front of the car looks like a fly cemetery by the end. Knowing you have to clean that, very carefully, immediately after arriving home because the 4:30 sun the next morning is going to bake them all on is not my idea of enjoying a car’s ownership.

My current ceramic coated VO is a breeze to keep clean, wash with a warm shampoo mix and wipe down with liquid wax, that’ll do fine for me

 

[F1SpaceMonkey]

I was told by many dealers that this sort of paint really has to have PPF on. You can get matte PPF so it would still have that "frozen" look.

 

[enuff_zed]

Indeed, life would be boring if we all liked the same things, I’m just happy that I have my taste and not yours

Anyhow, what is FWIW?

Touché :hattip:

Answered in the first 4 words of my previous post oke: :rofl:

For what it's worth, I believe FWIW means For What It's Worth.
IMO. :wink: