Found myself in Porsche this weekend

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Zed Five

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Spent a little time with a 997 (2nd gen)this weekend. Has anyone else noticed that these are seriously reasonable value used (even at the dealers) - and they give 2 years warranty on used cars.

Cars with around 10k mileage (one owner and basically 'as new') are less than £50k. I think that i'd rather have this than a new Cayman (nice as they are)

I know that one or two people here have them. - any good/bad reports?

Thanks

Chris
 
The particular car that interested me was a Carrera S with PDK.

- they had a new Cayman S there too. That's what I went to see.

I really think that my next car will in fact be two cars. - probably a Carrera S and a cheap golf for commuting or work in dodgy areas.

- or just get a Cyman S. :)
 
Zed Five said:
The particular car that interested me was a Carrera S with PDK.

- they had a new Cayman S there too. That's what I went to see.

I really think that my next car will in fact be two cars. - probably a Carrera S and a cheap golf for commuting or work in dodgy areas.

- or just get a Cyman S. :)
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Either way you'll be doing a lot of smiling! :thumbsup:
 
Basically the 997.2 (Gen 2) is pretty solid as it has the up-rated DFI engine so it will no suffer the same issues that the 996.1.2 and 997.1 as the models as follows: (A 997 Gen 2 is an exceptional car and the one to have I would even be tempted by the PDK.... eg Porsche Paranoia would not exist .. well other than the Porsche Deprecation Paranoia :lol:

996.1 (3.4)
- More likely to suffer IMS-related failure than later models
- IMS issues likely to be at lower mileage (i.e. any examples that have made it to higher mileages without issues are probably unlikely to suffer IMS issues)
- Least likely to suffer bore-scoring (tiptronics, X51-equipped cars or those with low-temp thermostats even less likely, due to better cooling)

996.2 (3.6)
- Less likely to suffer IMS-related failures (due to slightly improved IMS design)
- Again any IMS issues are likely to be at lower mileages
- More likely to suffer bore-scoring than 3.4 engines due to increased torque / thinner walls etc.
- Again any cars that run cooler (eg tips with the third radiator, X51 cars etc.) are less likely to see problems

997.1 (3.6)
- Post-2006 are least likely to see IMS issues due to further revised bearing / IMS
- Otherwise same as 996.2 above, with the exception that you can't get an X51 997 3.6

997.1 (3.8 )
- Most likely of all to see bore-scoring (highest torque, thinnest walls etc.)
- Again least likely (post-2006 MY) to see IMS failures

I stand to be corrected (I'm no expert), and obviously there will be exceptions but the above is my stab at generalising the issues for a novice

Cheers Paza

O yeah I had a Cayman S Sport amazing car... but not a 911 .. never will be :wink:
 
I think Paza has managed to sum up for the uninitiated ( or disinterested :D ) the last 5 years of magazine articles relating to water cooled porsche engine problem's :thumbsup:
 
Thanks fir the input. Its def. Only 997 i'd consider. What's the difference between the the std carrera and the S? Is it 3.4 v 3.8?
 
Zed Five said:
Thanks fir the input. Its def. Only 997 i'd consider. What's the difference between the the std carrera and the S? Is it 3.4 v 3.8?
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S is 3.8 355BHP + other bits like thumb change on wheel & lower susp ? i think /
non S is 3.6 320 BHP
Also the S gets 2 x twin pipes , non S gets 2 x flat single pipes :wink:
 
Hmm, interesting, yep 997.1s can be had for mid 20ks, which is awesome, only issues directly heard are flat battery issues when not used enough - 2-3week standstill.

However, still a lot of car for the money, would also be interested to know real life average out of warranty costs. Personally, I'm looking forward to when the 997.2 pdks dip into the mid/low 30k, probably within 2 years
 
You get a few nice extras on the S if you can afford one its the one to have although even the best 911 mags think the standard one is the best, but thats new now second hand S everytime.

You can get a good under 20k miles 991.1 S for great money. Good ones do hold well tho 30-40k

when we picked it up, in the far right you can see our old E92 M3 red in the background.

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With my Z and mini
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IMG_0600 by TomScottPhotographyCumbria, on Flickr


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Porsche 911 Cs, Cumbria by TomScottPhotographyCumbria, on Flickr
 
Found myself in Porsche with a friend on Friday afternoon. As a valued customer they were giving him a 991 Carrera 4s for the weekend as they are currently trying to get him to sign up for a 991 GT3. Took it back after an hour and asked for their new Cayman S instead. He felt the 991 was too big and not enough fun. He went in and ordered a cayman s today.

Highlight of the visit for me was finding £1 that someone had dropped on the seat in their Panamera. Free money, winner.
 
Mowflow said:
Found myself in Porsche with a friend on Friday afternoon. As a valued customer they were giving him a 991 Carrera 4s for the weekend as they are currently trying to get him to sign up for a 991 GT3. Took it back after an hour and asked for their new Cayman S instead. He felt the 991 was too big and not enough fun. He went in and ordered a cayman s today.

Highlight of the visit for me was finding £1 that someone had dropped on the seat in their Panamera. Free money, winner.
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It’s funny a lot of Porsche people have said the same thing it’s just too big the 991!

Interesting re price you can easy get a decent 997.1 s for sub 30k and leggy ones are coming in at 18.5k upwards now 80-90k miles, I was a bit amazed how cheap you can now get a 997.2 starting at 35k 09/10 plate and a really nice example around the 39-40k mark which is a no brainer as it has the better engine.

Tbh if you budget was low 30's I would suggest you either save a bit more or borrow a bit more to get a Generation 2 , as bore scoring and cracked liners are mostly likely in the 3.8s funny as everyone talks about 996 having the issues the 997 had the same engine but more torque being put throught the same block, for the sake of 5k I would rather have the peace of mind. I have decided am going to skip the 997.1 and just save up for the gen 2 a little longer :)

Tom you dads Porker looks lovely :thumbsup:
 
Herminator said:
So if you had 20-25k to spend Paza, which Porsche would it be?
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Honestly before would have been a 997.1 S with aero kit all day long :wub: them so much .....still do :cry:

But since getting a little more knowledge on them it would be a 996.2 Turbo all day long. Now 25k will get you a decent one, 20k ones are a bit of a potential money pit could sink 3/4k in repairs etc costs ,

The reason for a 996.2 Turbo is due to the fact that you would not have the worry of IMS or Bore scoring / cracked cylinders due to a different engine / same block maker as the gt3 ... its stll low numberS but still a concern and not having this to contend with would be a winner, that and I think there hold their value a lot better I reckon in the next 5/10 years these will start to creep back up in price being its the iconic 911 that and they go like stink! :driving: :lol:
 
Paza3 said:
Herminator said:
So if you had 20-25k to spend Paza, which Porsche would it be?
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Honestly before would have been a 997.1 S with aero kit all day long :wub: them so much .....still do :cry:

But since getting a little more knowledge on them it would be a 996.2 Turbo all day long. Now 25k will get you a decent one, 20k ones are a bit of a potential money pit could sink 3/4k in repairs etc costs ,

The reason for a 996.2 Turbo is due to the fact that you would not have the worry of IMS or Bore scoring / cracked cylinders due to a different engine / same block maker as the gt3 ... its stll low numberS but still a concern and not having this to contend with would be a winner, that and I think there hold their value a lot better I reckon in the next 5/10 years these will start to creep back up in price being its the iconic 911 that and they go like stink! :driving: :lol:
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997 CS with aero kit for £20-25k? That's good going I'd have one for that money.......
 
Not sure about the "991 large car" comment but more importantly they are lighter than the previous model, this is my 991S, sorry about the crappy pic :oops:


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Of those 3 pictured above, I'd most like to take the convertible for a spin...

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That looks a pretty menacing beast, what's the 0-60?
 
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