More sad news in F1 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29501069
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/29501069
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Conquistador
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speed12 said:
Does look pretty bad indeed. Although I suspect that the reason it wasn't shown (and the reason all team radios were blocked immediately afterwards) is because the FIA is at fault.
The problem for the FIA and FOM is that if they now officially release the footage then we will all see clearly the impact with the recovery tractor. This will then cause huge pressure on the FIA to change many things. They would have to stop using tractors to recover vehicles or wave red flags every time someone needs recovering.
Conquistador said:
Seems reasonable now :|
simonlpearce
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Sad to hear of the accident and wish him a quick recovery.
If you ask me they should immediately bring out a safety car any time there is a recovery vehicle anywhere near the track. And the recovery vehicle shouldn't be allowed until the race is under control. It has to be better to hit another F1 car than a JCB!
If you ask me they should immediately bring out a safety car any time there is a recovery vehicle anywhere near the track. And the recovery vehicle shouldn't be allowed until the race is under control. It has to be better to hit another F1 car than a JCB!
I disagree, unseen and unheard because the FIA quite rightly blocked everythingConquistador said:
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
There were double waved yellows, Jules had already seen the initial incident, [I assume he] has been advised on the radio by the team, and there was more rain - this was a very unfortunate racing incident.
Even if they had sent out the safety car sooner it was unlikely to have picked him up in time.
Live "snatches" happen all the time - we are all aware of what could happen if we don't keep out wits
simonlpearce
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^^^ Take it by your username you are some part of a pit crew?
Sort of.simonlpearce said:
I have been car-marshalling for number years, in the UK and Europe.
Initially as a course marshal on track, then in fire-trucks, and latterly on the startline and in the pits.
I've also been a Clerk of the Course, and a Steward although I'll never say I know it all, however I've been involved in a few incidents over the years.
Charlie Whiting [and his crew] have very difficult decisions to make - as I said "Hindsight is a wonderful thing" - but I'd still trust him with my life
simonlpearce
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Fair play, good to get a insiders view on it all.
I can imagine regardless of how it happened this will spark some debate on how the process is handled for any future occurrences to avoid it happening again.
I can imagine regardless of how it happened this will spark some debate on how the process is handled for any future occurrences to avoid it happening again.
Thank you. All accidents are a very difficult subject. Each needs to be looked at in their own context so we don't get a "knee-jerk" reaction.simonlpearce said:
Don't get me wrong what happened to Jules was dreadful but it could have been worse. Marshals could have also been involved
A waved Yellow flag (and a flashing yellow light) would be shown at the previous post, double waved yellows (and a flashing Yellow light) at the incident plus he would have been warned by a yellow light in his cockpit throughout this area.
The Green flag (and flashing Green) would be shown at the next post after the incident.
I agree, It looks horrible. All our best wishes go to Jules.
The Green flag (and flashing Green) would be shown at the next post after the incident.
I agree, It looks horrible. All our best wishes go to Jules.
What a dreadful accident !
My opinion for what it's worth is that it's a racing incident ?
If he had left the track 10 secs earlier or later he would have missed the recovery tractor ?
I agree with "the pits" I raced karts for many years and each accident is unique with its own set of circumstances ,
Marshals do a fantastic job out in all weathers keeping racing as safe as can be and in my opinion I think the decisions made yesterday were correct.
All of the drivers agreed it was ok to race and when the rain came at the end of the race they correctly started to change to wet tyres ! Slicks or Intermediates on a wet track carry a risk ! As does putting on your helmet and racing in the first place - I think we have to be careful not to try and Blame someone for something that is as I see it a racing accident.
As for Jules I fear that this is a terrible injury and pray he makes a good speedy recovery
My opinion for what it's worth is that it's a racing incident ?
If he had left the track 10 secs earlier or later he would have missed the recovery tractor ?
I agree with "the pits" I raced karts for many years and each accident is unique with its own set of circumstances ,
Marshals do a fantastic job out in all weathers keeping racing as safe as can be and in my opinion I think the decisions made yesterday were correct.
All of the drivers agreed it was ok to race and when the rain came at the end of the race they correctly started to change to wet tyres ! Slicks or Intermediates on a wet track carry a risk ! As does putting on your helmet and racing in the first place - I think we have to be careful not to try and Blame someone for something that is as I see it a racing accident.
As for Jules I fear that this is a terrible injury and pray he makes a good speedy recovery
Martin Brundle has been saying for years that these 'tractors' should not be allowed onto the circuit while the race continues, even under double waved yellows. They have to change this surly now to only on circuit when safety car is out!?
This isn't anyone's fault, but rules have to change about vehicles coming onto circuits and not just in F1.
Looks very nasty indeed, I hope Bianchi will be ok.
This isn't anyone's fault, but rules have to change about vehicles coming onto circuits and not just in F1.
Looks very nasty indeed, I hope Bianchi will be ok.