Ex demo cars.. Risky?

Maniac said:
Right then, looks like the 35i is a go-er... part of my reservation was that this will take me beyond my self-imposed budget for a car... things going wrong would need careful spending.. but then its also my dream car... sublime looks, and tyre shredding power with the ability to tour... I've fallen in love with the idea, I'm trying to be sensible about the costs... not easy. I'd still quite like to go on holidays too :)

The E89 is a fantastic car, if that's your budget then go for it, as for the DCT it's fantastic and I've that gearbox on my next car.
 
My SLK was an ex-dealer demo, no problems in 3 years and 30k miles.

My current Z4M is a BMW ex-management car, again not had any problems with it although I haven't had it that long. Money no object then I would always buy brand new, but until I win the lottery I won't have an issue with ex-demo or BMW management cars.

If you post the link to the car it would help though - cars that have been used in "anger" or press cars usually have "Event" listed in the full spec.
 
Darn it! He who hesitates... It's sold.. And not to me! Oh well, at least I know what to keep my eyes open for...
 
Maniac said:
I've seen a very good value 35i for sale from my local BMW dealership... Lots of toys etc... Question is whether you'd trust an ex demo ? From BMW stock, likely a journo car... Are they run in properly first or badly run in thrashed examples?

I have one question for you.

Do you keep your cars for many years and drive more then 100.000 miles? Or you change every 2 - 4 years to a new/used one?

EdP
 
I tend to keep cars around 5 years max looking back and do around 10k a year... The fifth year is usually enjoying a car without repayments, then I get the itch...
 
Like any engineered part, engines and drive trains are manufactured to a defined set of tolerance and these change with temperature due to thermal expansion. Lubricating oil operates differently with temperature, viscosity reduces as temperature increases and performs best when the engine is within its normal operating temperature range.

In a cold engine, the clearance fits are tighter and the oil has a higher viscosity, as the engine warms, oil viscosity decreases and the engine expands giving better clearances, at the optimum temperature everything is perfect.

So you turn up for a test drive, the engine is cold, you proceed carefully, you treat the engine with care, not exceeding 2500 rpm until its warmed through, fifteen minutes or so...... yeah right of course you do. You rag it from the off, its not your car after all so who cares and of course everyone else who's tested it has done exactly the same thing.

And what happens, less lubrication + tighter tolerance = high wear, this might not be a problem, you will probably have higher than average oil consumption, pads and disc's might need replacing earlier, the real problems will only manifest themselves in later life.

My first Z4 was an ex demo, 6,000 miles on the clock when I purchased it, it used a litre of oil every 6k miles, my new car, where I am the first owner, has done nearly 19,000 miles and hasn't needed a top up yet.
 
sars said:
Like any engineered part, engines and drive trains are manufactured to a defined set of tolerance and these change with temperature due to thermal expansion. Lubricating oil operates differently with temperature, viscosity reduces as temperature increases and performs best when the engine is within its normal operating temperature range.

In a cold engine, the clearance fits are tighter and the oil has a higher viscosity, as the engine warms, oil viscosity decreases and the engine expands giving better clearances, at the optimum temperature everything is perfect.

So you turn up for a test drive, the engine is cold, you proceed carefully, you treat the engine with care, not exceeding 2500 rpm until its warmed through, fifteen minutes or so...... yeah right of course you do. You rag it from the off, its not your car after all so who cares and of course everyone else who's tested it has done exactly the same thing.

And what happens, less lubrication + tighter tolerance = high wear, this might not be a problem, you will probably have higher than average oil consumption, pads and disc's might need replacing earlier, the real problems will only manifest themselves in later life.

My first Z4 was an ex demo, 6,000 miles on the clock when I purchased it, it used a litre of oil every 6k miles, my new car, where I am the first owner, has done nearly 19,000 miles and hasn't needed a top up yet.

A point well made sars :)
 
I have owned a couple of ex-demo cars in the past never had a problem with them..... although for the price point unless it was exactly what i was after i would settle with a second hand one.
 
Maniac, nice car, but crap wheels......luckily my dealer changed my wheels with another Z4 35i - it was the deal maker and he did it - it had 18's, I wanted 19's off another car they had, and they did it.

Great car, love all the options - you'll love the internet access on it too.....there are lots out there, you need to just find one you like, as there is a big choice for that kinda money
 
I dont mind the wheels actually, split rims like the ones I had on my old z4... yes the 19s look the dogs, but then the roads in manchester are crap and i hear lots about the 19s cracking.

That figure is the max I wish to spend without it causing me to watch what I spend on a monthly basis, while there are lots at 34K+ there are not many at the 32K mark with that list of options.

Still, its gone now so no point worring over that lol.
 
True - mine was nearing £38K on a 10 plate with 9k miles on it - every extra ticked apart from TV....white with Design, and I love it....
 
Kryton said:
sars said:
Like any engineered part, engines and drive trains are manufactured to a defined set of tolerance and these change with temperature due to thermal expansion. Lubricating oil operates differently with temperature, viscosity reduces as temperature increases and performs best when the engine is within its normal operating temperature range.

In a cold engine, the clearance fits are tighter and the oil has a higher viscosity, as the engine warms, oil viscosity decreases and the engine expands giving better clearances, at the optimum temperature everything is perfect.

So you turn up for a test drive, the engine is cold, you proceed carefully, you treat the engine with care, not exceeding 2500 rpm until its warmed through, fifteen minutes or so...... yeah right of course you do. You rag it from the off, its not your car after all so who cares and of course everyone else who's tested it has done exactly the same thing.

And what happens, less lubrication + tighter tolerance = high wear, this might not be a problem, you will probably have higher than average oil consumption, pads and disc's might need replacing earlier, the real problems will only manifest themselves in later life.

My first Z4 was an ex demo, 6,000 miles on the clock when I purchased it, it used a litre of oil every 6k miles, my new car, where I am the first owner, has done nearly 19,000 miles and hasn't needed a top up yet.

A point well made sars :)

Not from my experience it isn't! :wink:
 
Maniac said:
I dont mind the wheels actually, split rims like the ones I had on my old z4... yes the 19s look the dogs, but then the roads in manchester are crap and i hear lots about the 19s cracking.

I have the same 18's and I like them. I was going to get the 19" for mine but have now decided against it as the 18's have grown on me (and the tyres are cheaper!! :P ).
 
Maniac said:
I tend to keep cars around 5 years max looking back and do around 10k a year... The fifth year is usually enjoying a car without repayments, then I get the itch...

A demo car is a perfect option.

EdP
 
I also had my eye on that one - though I'm not the guy that beat you to it! :D

I'll be collecting the one I finally went for tomorrow.

On the matter of buying ex-dealer, I had some reservations, but I found out that anything that needs servicing in less than 3 months or 400 miles will be sorted before I pick it up. I also stretched my budget, but was able to get a few hundred quid off (thank goodness) and nothing should need sorting out for a while. The new Z4 will still have a couple if years of Warranty to run.

As for test drivers thrashing it: half the dealers wouldn't let me go for it anyway (unlike the other cars I tried). I bought from one that was willing to let me explore the handling (or I would have ended up buying something else entirely).

Every run started with a slightly warmed / lubricated engine, followed by a sedate drive to the test route.. I suspect it might look bad for the other customers if they encourage you tear off the forecourt in a screaming cloud of tyre smoke! :D

I'll keep an eye on the HSFP situation in the UK, but that is my only remaining concern with buying a nearly new Z4.

Good luck, and I hope you find what you're looking for!
 
Out of curiosity what did you go for? The 35i?

I've two more I'm looking at now, more expensive but I'm haggling!! They're not the ideal colour combo, but have all the toys and the right engine. One being white/red the other black/pure white. I prefer the outside look of the white, but the inside of the pure white lol... it seems people haven't been too adventurous on the 35i colours like I see on the 23i's... I'd ideally want the 35i with havanna/orion and pure white int. but if I get a good price, I'll let go of some ideals!
 
Yep - I had to go for the 35i. I did a lot of research, and didn't want to go for something too much slower than my previous car. I liked the noise, the looks and when I learn to drive it properly I'm pretty sure I'll have some fun with the handling :D (I'm not in any rush to do anything stupid with it!)

I would have liked red/black - I saw a 30i in these colours and just kept going back to look at it... I also tried a white/white example and decided I didn't really like that scheme. Talking to a different salesman: he said that the fashion for white comes and goes, and it is on the up at the moment. I recall the time a few years ago when white MX5s were worth a lot less than any other colour - not that I owned one. The Z4 is a different car with very different looks and different customers, so who knows... :D. I would have gone for practically any other colour to get the car I wanted. (I liked the havanna, too - it just looks right imo)

They seem to turn over a few 35i every week, and you can keep an eye on the incoming used cars too. Also, if you speak to some of the bigger dealerships you'll find that they have a few extra cars stashed away at their HQs, or being driven by dealership staff that they can sort out for you (the smaller dealers don't have these options). I looked hard at the private market, but there seems to be very few on sale out there. I suspect that BMW dealers are still controlling the market for new shape Z4s, as I know Audi and some others do from time to time.
 
I heard that some owners had a few fuel pumps replaced in the N54 engine. The fuel pump keeps breaking down.
 
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