El Pollo Diablo
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Mr Tidy said:
Thanks Mr Tidy.
I really appreciate your well wishes. jimmybell said:
That is exactly what I was thinking.
It doesn't make any of the opinions reflected here any less valuable though. 
EU referendum
- Thread starter marchantsuk
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Thanks Mr Tidy.
I really appreciate your well wishes. That is exactly what I was thinking.
It doesn't make any of the opinions reflected here any less valuable though. Quite an even split at the moment!
Out for me.
We originally joined a common trading market.
We as far as I know never intended to be part of a United States of Europe.
As the world 5th largest economy we are big enough to stand on our own 2 feet.
As a Sovereign nation we should never be ruled by unelected Eurocrats.
We originally joined a common trading market.
We as far as I know never intended to be part of a United States of Europe.
As the world 5th largest economy we are big enough to stand on our own 2 feet.
As a Sovereign nation we should never be ruled by unelected Eurocrats.
That resets the vote, so you all need to vote again please if you did it when there were only two options.marchantsuk said:
The post with the Norwegian flag above this one, completely ignored the fact that opinion polls in Norway are showing a majority of more than 60 per cent in favour of joining the European Union. The next vote is two years away and there is no doubt Norwegians have begun to fear being alone. There are reasons for this.
Search and look for information in order to make up your mind.
(9gag do not qualify as an information resource I'm afraid :lol: )
Search and look for information in order to make up your mind.
(9gag do not qualify as an information resource I'm afraid :lol: )
Tricky Dicky
Member
It's out for me , I just want my country back ,I've had enough of the eu telling us we can't deport rapists , murders and child molesters, living here amongst us free to do as they please is a convicted murderer of a head of state ,there is a convicted mass murderer from the rawanda crisis who liked to chop people's hands off ,and other individuals convicted of mass rape etc etc , and we cannot get rid thanks to the guardian reading liberal lefties, and Human rights brigade and why because these evil people would be in danger of being killed if they were deported I've had enough of EU migrants working here and the EU demanding that we send benefits at UK rates to Eastern European countries whose std of living is way below ours and these benefits are effectively decent wages in these countries ,I know the noisy minority will try to shout me down , but I don't care any more , this is our very last chance to express how thoroughly pissed off I / We are with the totally bent and corrupt EU .
4 hours ago it was pretty even, the out vote is out in front right now
Out for me.
Nothing against any Europeans. I'd just like a chance to see what we as country can do for ourselves as I think we'd carry on doing quite well. Also I'm not very keen on these open borders and feel out country just can't carry on taking in the levels of migration seen in recent years.
Has anyone seen the poll going around with the idea of bringing the commonwealth countries closer together? Part of this would alow the freedom travel and the ability to work in Australia, New Zealand and Canada. To me that's something I can get behind. I feel and have a connection far greater to those countries than I do for any European country.
Nothing against any Europeans. I'd just like a chance to see what we as country can do for ourselves as I think we'd carry on doing quite well. Also I'm not very keen on these open borders and feel out country just can't carry on taking in the levels of migration seen in recent years.
Has anyone seen the poll going around with the idea of bringing the commonwealth countries closer together? Part of this would alow the freedom travel and the ability to work in Australia, New Zealand and Canada. To me that's something I can get behind. I feel and have a connection far greater to those countries than I do for any European country.
jack07 said:Was against the plan to join the "common market" then,and remained anti EU .
This country lost its way when we failed to get behind the last great mind that was worth listening to,namely Enoch Powell.
Me and many others never had the chance to vote. I'm still for getting out and I think other nations will also vote to leave the bloated state.
Worth mentioning the current non-EU nations have valid reasons for their success (norway - oil, switzerland - the worlds dodgy bank.. etc).
It's a shame the EU hasn't been a greater success really - we should definitely be pushing towards global union in some form - but the execution of the EU masterplan has been weak and counter productive in lots of places. For me a vote to stay seems to be a vote for the status quo, and that's not acceptable. A vote to leave gives more power to some people we already dislike.
I always have a concern that people will vote one way or the other for the wrong reasons - one of which is definitely those living in the past wanting to return us to the 'good old days' of the 1970s (probably my parents/grandparents generations), likewise some naivety with respect to the benefits the EU brings vs the true cost, economically and in terms of political/sovereign control .. which is something aged 18 and with little world experience you're barely going to be aware of.
In an era with so much social media influence, dictated largely by mainstream media and their respective backers - the decision will not come down to the true vote of A vs B, but most likely which group of stubborn or persuadable people is largest.
Lets hope everyone considers the impact to their kids, rather than based on old ideals of red, blue, left, right, nationalist, raving mentalist. This should be bigger than that.
It's a shame the EU hasn't been a greater success really - we should definitely be pushing towards global union in some form - but the execution of the EU masterplan has been weak and counter productive in lots of places. For me a vote to stay seems to be a vote for the status quo, and that's not acceptable. A vote to leave gives more power to some people we already dislike.
I always have a concern that people will vote one way or the other for the wrong reasons - one of which is definitely those living in the past wanting to return us to the 'good old days' of the 1970s (probably my parents/grandparents generations), likewise some naivety with respect to the benefits the EU brings vs the true cost, economically and in terms of political/sovereign control .. which is something aged 18 and with little world experience you're barely going to be aware of.
In an era with so much social media influence, dictated largely by mainstream media and their respective backers - the decision will not come down to the true vote of A vs B, but most likely which group of stubborn or persuadable people is largest.
Lets hope everyone considers the impact to their kids, rather than based on old ideals of red, blue, left, right, nationalist, raving mentalist. This should be bigger than that.
North West Surrey
jimmybell said:
A really good summary and your last sentence is my reason for backing the out vote. Short term (12-18 months) we will have to tough it out, our currency will be crap, our holiday money won't go as far, but after this things will turn. Our future isn't about trade with Europe its about trade with emerging markets and and countries like China. Brazil is a huge economy as is India, these are the places where the long term opportunities lay.
I also predict that if the UK does exit the EU, we won't be the first. I think others will follow, my money's on Sweden and Finland
I think there's a lot of scare mongering here about the impact on trade and investment etc.
The fact is if the EU wont play ball on trade agreements with the UK its just as detrimental to them as it is to us. Someone cited BMW/MINI as an example but forgot to mention the impact it would have on BMW sales in the UK if we imposed an import tax on the EU if they did it to us. What about all the EU business' with major investments in the UK, they aren't going to want them to be hurt and ultimately the numpties in Brussels will have to play ball. The UK is a huge market for the EU, one it cant afford to loose. So the EU has just as much to loose as us and on this basis I feel an out vote will in the long run not effect UK/EU trade etc.
Job wise, if your highly skilled/educated and your talents are rare the the visa system should allow you to carry on working in the UK as we will still be welcoming the right sort of immigration, the ones that enhance/add to the country not a generally free for all that on balance adds to the burden on state and its resources such as housing/education/health/transportation/utilities and other infrastructure etc.
Migration is a particular concern, Germany has openly welcomed over a million migrants last year. If they all get EU citizen status and most if they have a second language its English, where do you think they are likely to want to ultimately settle. Where are they going to live, we already have a housing crisis, creaking NHS, over stretch utilities and congested roads that are falling apart.
From personal experience (I used to work for Tameside Council 5 years ago) immigrants do get priority housing due to the fact that central government, once they give a person leave to remain gives the local authority 28 days to rehouse them in their area and get them out of government funded housing. This means that councils like Tameside with a chronic shortage of housing have to prioritize these people above even the locals that are classed as statutorily homeless! This is kept hush hush, I threatened to go to the press with this at the time as it was preventing some seriously needy local families being housed and multi million pound regeneration projects I was working on were in danger of failing. This was not a one off, central government would sent you a batch of immigrants to rehouse every month! Something seriously wrong here.
Then you hear about mass sex attacks in parts of Germany at new year etc and you hope these are isolated incidents but you do worry about the mentality/views of women/other religions etc these people travelling to the UK are bringing with them.
40 years ago the Police never had to have units to deal with female genital mutilation, honour killings and the like. There are many good aspects to immigration but there are also some pretty bad ones and on balance immigration has to benefit a country to make it worth while. In recent years I honestly don't think this has been the case and the county has actually suffered detrimentally on balance because of immigration.
I really am struggling to see a credible reason to stay in the EU but as this point I am still open to all arguments!
The fact is if the EU wont play ball on trade agreements with the UK its just as detrimental to them as it is to us. Someone cited BMW/MINI as an example but forgot to mention the impact it would have on BMW sales in the UK if we imposed an import tax on the EU if they did it to us. What about all the EU business' with major investments in the UK, they aren't going to want them to be hurt and ultimately the numpties in Brussels will have to play ball. The UK is a huge market for the EU, one it cant afford to loose. So the EU has just as much to loose as us and on this basis I feel an out vote will in the long run not effect UK/EU trade etc.
Job wise, if your highly skilled/educated and your talents are rare the the visa system should allow you to carry on working in the UK as we will still be welcoming the right sort of immigration, the ones that enhance/add to the country not a generally free for all that on balance adds to the burden on state and its resources such as housing/education/health/transportation/utilities and other infrastructure etc.
Migration is a particular concern, Germany has openly welcomed over a million migrants last year. If they all get EU citizen status and most if they have a second language its English, where do you think they are likely to want to ultimately settle. Where are they going to live, we already have a housing crisis, creaking NHS, over stretch utilities and congested roads that are falling apart.
From personal experience (I used to work for Tameside Council 5 years ago) immigrants do get priority housing due to the fact that central government, once they give a person leave to remain gives the local authority 28 days to rehouse them in their area and get them out of government funded housing. This means that councils like Tameside with a chronic shortage of housing have to prioritize these people above even the locals that are classed as statutorily homeless! This is kept hush hush, I threatened to go to the press with this at the time as it was preventing some seriously needy local families being housed and multi million pound regeneration projects I was working on were in danger of failing. This was not a one off, central government would sent you a batch of immigrants to rehouse every month! Something seriously wrong here.
Then you hear about mass sex attacks in parts of Germany at new year etc and you hope these are isolated incidents but you do worry about the mentality/views of women/other religions etc these people travelling to the UK are bringing with them.
40 years ago the Police never had to have units to deal with female genital mutilation, honour killings and the like. There are many good aspects to immigration but there are also some pretty bad ones and on balance immigration has to benefit a country to make it worth while. In recent years I honestly don't think this has been the case and the county has actually suffered detrimentally on balance because of immigration.
I really am struggling to see a credible reason to stay in the EU but as this point I am still open to all arguments!