E89 model/engine not all they seem ?
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Angie4m said:
AFAIK BMW never pushed the e89 as a sports car. Most of the blurb I ever read pushed it as a 'sporty' 'roadster'. Considering 3 series diesels are pushed as 'sporty' unless they say out right 'sports car' I wouldn't believe a word of it.
It can be a fun car thrown around at full chat, but its no razor.
AndyJ said:mr wilks said:
One of the reasons still to buy a BMW. Do you really fancy putting the roof down to listen to a DIESEL engine ?
Anyone buying such a monstrosity has no car knowledge / passion.
That's a bit of a sweeping statement, I am a petrol head and a mechanical engineer. My 3.0 litre twin turbo diesel V6 sounds better than any 4 cylinder petrol engine and has a deeper rumble than any inline 6 petrol either
oh and it's not just BMW, mines an E350 but a 3.0 litre, you also have to admire Audi, their model range isn't based or loosely based on engine size
sars said:That's a bit of a sweeping statement, I am a petrol head and a mechanical engineer. My 3.0 litre twin turbo diesel V6 sounds better than any 4 cylinder petrol engine and has a deeper rumble than any inline 6 petrol either
Sorry, but when you put your roof down, start the car up, you instantly must get out thinking your taxi has arrived.
AndyJ said:mr wilks said:
One of the reasons still to buy a BMW. Do you really fancy putting the roof down to listen to a DIESEL engine ?
Anyone buying such a monstrosity has no car knowledge / passion.
I love cars always have but...I have a TT TDI!! Do i have no knowledge....? The TT is still supposed to be a sports car. Yes its not as much fun. But it is very fast and capable.
The number badge on a BM has made no scene for ages. I had an 1999 323 that had 2.5 6 pot in it!! You just have to research what your buying. And modern 4 pot turbo powered engines may not be what you want. But it will be what you get in the future. Unless your spending lots more money. The new turbo charged engines are great anyway so what the problem?? Add to the fact that BM just pipe sound into the cabin through the speakers instead of tuning the exhaust to sound good. So with a bit of codding i am sure you could get the sound of a 5.0l v8 coming through the speakers.
I have seen a you tube clip where someone has done similar on a 1 series.AndyJ said:sars said:That's a bit of a sweeping statement, I am a petrol head and a mechanical engineer. My 3.0 litre twin turbo diesel V6 sounds better than any 4 cylinder petrol engine and has a deeper rumble than any inline 6 petrol either
Sorry, but when you put your roof down, start the car up, you instantly must get out thinking your taxi has arrived.
You seem like someone i wouldn't get on that well with!!
Your saying about BMWs having this amazing sound..... My M54B30 sounded rubbish until i played with the exhaust. Admittedly its a bit to much now!!
Also you do know that on new BMW cars well the hot ones with the M engineering and not just the badge. They make the sound come through the speakers???
dr_john said:This isn't a E89 issue, BMW have been vague with their names for ages.
When I was looking at 3 series I found the 316, 318 and 320 all had 2 litre engines. Then the 328 came along, with a 2 litre engine.
Let's not forget the F12 640i/640d (3L), 650i (4.4L)! Or the E90... 318i, 320i = 2L, 323i =2.5L, 325i = 2.5L replaced by a 3L later on and 330i, 335i = 3L
In the 90s and early 2000s the numbers had some relevance and many were an indication of engine size. However, a lot has changed and this has also not always been the case and they are in no way indicative of engine size. There is only one thing that is generally consistant and that is that for any specific model in that one year, the bigger the number, the more power the engine produces.
Machine monkey said:
First - I never mentioned BMW's having "this amazing sound". So this is obviously just baiting talk. I mentioned a convertible diesel being a terrible idea. There we go, back on track.
Ah.. The legend of the M4 (potentially others - but I don't follow those closely). I believe the noise level that's "piped through the speakers" is approximately 5% of what you hear and it's live from the exhaust not manufactured or played back. No idea why BMW chose to do this as there's no reason to and it makes very little difference.
Each time I've driven the M3/4 I've done so with the windows / roof down to counteract it and couldn't tell the difference, so little is the effect. BMW should have allowed it to be turned off though just because of this type of conversation.
This wasn't about M's. But now you mention it every M I've owned has been special (inc. the Z4M) and the noise from them all has been beautiful. There's a whole load more great sounding cars out there of course but I've never owned a bad M.
Do you know what Andy I really was not baiting you. And the last thing i want is to get into a forum argument with you..
I didn't like your comment about the diesel. Or your comments made towards Sars. I should have kept quite. But i found what you said to be quite rude. End of as far as i am concerned i have said what i want. Of course you can carry on as much as you want... But i am out.
I didn't like your comment about the diesel. Or your comments made towards Sars. I should have kept quite. But i found what you said to be quite rude. End of as far as i am concerned i have said what i want. Of course you can carry on as much as you want... But i am out.
Hang on a minute!!!!
AndyJ said:
Not offended at all, but you just show a little narrow mindedness that's all, your loss not mine.....
...as for sounding like a Taxi, you couldn't be so far from the truth, I was at a BSi technical committee meeting yesterday, when I turned up on a beautiful sunny morning with all my PSE/18 colleagues waiting outside, not one made a comment about it being a diesel, no they just said that I looked like I was having fun
Oh and while we are on the subject of narrow mindedness, what is it with some people moaning about Turbo's, fabulous things. Yes I would rather have a 6 cylinder than a four pot turbo, but love my a V6 Turbo. These modern multi-turbo engines have reduced lag to an unnoticeable amount, just have a look at the Chris Harris review of either the new AMG GT or C63, I mean what's not to like :idunno:
sars said:
I wish my wife would talk dirty to me like that!!!
