E89 20i - Hill Assist
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Gsm said:Can't believe some people are still questioning whether the 20i has it or not.
BMW have just given me a brand new 8sp auto because my manual did not have it, is that not enought proof
Yes but if we want to get to the same or similar outcome as you, then we need to go through the same process with our dealers. Not every dealer will be aware of your story Also interesting to hear the mixed advice we are all getting.
Always good to have that,
If would suggest that once you have your cars, book it in for not working and let the workshop investigate the issue.
They wanted to keep my old car for a few day's until they discovered it was never fitted.
A word of warning, the dealer principal made it quite clear that they were more than covered by the disclaimer regarding hill start, I then spoke with a lawyer friend who agreed with them and said I would be unlikely to succeed with any legal fight.
I amazed I came out of this so well, and is only due to the hard work of the dealer principal with BMW UK.
If would suggest that once you have your cars, book it in for not working and let the workshop investigate the issue.
They wanted to keep my old car for a few day's until they discovered it was never fitted.
A word of warning, the dealer principal made it quite clear that they were more than covered by the disclaimer regarding hill start, I then spoke with a lawyer friend who agreed with them and said I would be unlikely to succeed with any legal fight.
I amazed I came out of this so well, and is only due to the hard work of the dealer principal with BMW UK.
stephendutton1963 said:
We haven't accepted the car yet.
My initial request is for them to retrofit hill start assist to the car we ordered at no cost.
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Occurred to me today, that the lack of hill start assist means only one thing:
- We will just have to revert to holding the car on the clutch like we were all taught to do, and all did before hill start became available?
Obviously, I'm assuming this is still possible with the electronic parking brake.
Saying that though, I've never had this feature before, and did like the idea of having it. Having it wasn't a clincher for me, so I'm not going to reject the car or make a fuss (however, being a hypocrite, if they offered some cash of freebies as compensation I'd take them!!!).
I'm just a tad worried about getting used to the electronic brake, and guess this feature would've helped.
Surely (and I'm guessing here) the lack of this feature isn't a real problem.
What is annoying though is that it is clearly advertised feature, and still is, so it is misleading.
- We will just have to revert to holding the car on the clutch like we were all taught to do, and all did before hill start became available?
Obviously, I'm assuming this is still possible with the electronic parking brake.
Saying that though, I've never had this feature before, and did like the idea of having it. Having it wasn't a clincher for me, so I'm not going to reject the car or make a fuss (however, being a hypocrite, if they offered some cash of freebies as compensation I'd take them!!!).
I'm just a tad worried about getting used to the electronic brake, and guess this feature would've helped.
Surely (and I'm guessing here) the lack of this feature isn't a real problem.
What is annoying though is that it is clearly advertised feature, and still is, so it is misleading.
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I reckon they'd just say "what about the huge discount you got?"
Admittedly, thats irrelevant cos you got the discount on the car, with the option, but they're bound to try wriggling!
Admittedly, thats irrelevant cos you got the discount on the car, with the option, but they're bound to try wriggling!
kevinmarkwhite said:
Unlike where we live, the area around Chester is flat. Didn't get a chance to try hill starts during our test drive. I did notice the EPB in the car we drove had a delay. There isn't any feel either.
I'm sure it can be done, but getting smooth start might be tricky. Timing is an issue to as the car isn't going to move until the brakes release. Our daily commute includes a large number of hill starts, including a long uphill queue and two turning onto busy roads.
I don't want to accept the car only to find out hill starts with the EPB to be endlessly frustrating.
If the Z4 had a mechanical parking brake I'd be a lot less concerned.
We had it on an 80's Subaru, and on our last few BMWs. It is a nice feature.
Yeah.
It's the principle of it though. I live in Edinburgh live right in the city centre. There is a lot of hills for me to go up so hill assist makes a massive difference to me. I don't care how much I got off the car. That was the deal for a car that had Hill assist. As far as I am concerned its out of my Dealers hands. They went off the brochure and the website. The argument is now between me and BMW UK.
KeithJ said:
I quite agree Keith, it is actually quite a useful feature if you have had it before on other cars, I had it on a Corsa VXR and like you say useful in hilly parts, I think I'm just happy I've bought a motor I wouldn't normally have gone for at 33K without the dealer contribution. It is a little dissapointing though if you were expecting it on the car :x
Tim.
I live on a steep hill, trying to parallel park was a complete nightmare, an old fashion handbrake would have been ok.
You have to keep the EHB on , get biting point at which point a warning comes up saying release EHB then you release it.
The EHB is either on or off, no releasing it gradually, as soon it's off the car rolls.
I wasn't happy with the constant warning coming up, would this cause long term problems, who know's ?
You have to keep the EHB on , get biting point at which point a warning comes up saying release EHB then you release it.
The EHB is either on or off, no releasing it gradually, as soon it's off the car rolls.
I wasn't happy with the constant warning coming up, would this cause long term problems, who know's ?
Have been reading all of your comment with interest and so had I thought on how I drive with it. I started to sit at lights etcetera with my foot on the brake......which I have to say is most annoying if your directly behind me, so I have now stopped that practice and use the EPB
Hill assist only works once you have released the foot brake, so I then started to put my foot on the brake, release the EPB and then set off, this takes lots of time so now I just use the EPB and hold it on the clutch to set off. I think hill assist is useful when doing three point turns etcetera, but it does make you a lazier driver
Is it worth cancelling your order over and waiting another 6 weeks, assuming that you will get the same deal as before, I would say seriously no, but possibly worth a free service.
Hill assist only works once you have released the foot brake, so I then started to put my foot on the brake, release the EPB and then set off, this takes lots of time so now I just use the EPB and hold it on the clutch to set off. I think hill assist is useful when doing three point turns etcetera, but it does make you a lazier driver
Is it worth cancelling your order over and waiting another 6 weeks, assuming that you will get the same deal as before, I would say seriously no, but possibly worth a free service.
sars said:
Do you think you are putting extra wear on your clutch?
How hilly is the area you drive in?
Still waiting to hear back from our dealer. We haven't made any decisions yet.
Andrew*Debbie said:
As someone else commented, before hill assist how would you normally use the hand break and clutch, why is this any different. You would hope that BMW actually trialled the car extensively without it before removing the hill assist function, but the cynic in me sometimes thinks this is BMW and profit at any cost
sars said:
Gsm says the EPB makes it entirely different.
You say it works fine but your car has hill start assist and a more powerful engine. Transmission and clutch could be different too, but I haven't looked at the part numbers.
Me? I don't know. If the Z4 had a mechanical hand brake, I'd be a lot less concerned.
Could be they intended to include it but a last minute issue or oversight prevented them. Just speculation and my own experience with large software engineering projects.