e-brake changing rear disks + pads

Deepseaskateboard

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When the rear brake pads are changed, does the e-brake need to be on or off?

does it apply automatically when the car is powered down?

I found a document here, with lots of technical information on the E89 Z4.
It doesn't say if it needs to be on or off before the change. I would assume on, but assumptions usually lead to catastrophic mistakes!

https://e89.zpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=682055&highlight=0500

No doubt it has been shared many times on here.
 
Deepseaskateboard said:
When the rear brake pads are changed, does the e-brake need to be on or off?

does it apply automatically when the car is powered down?
I did mine recently (I haven't touched anything car related in 35 years). It was relatively easy, much easier than I thought.
I left the ebrake off. It doesn't re-apply itself. I left it off for 3 days just to be sure (a little excessive I know). Just make sure you chock the other wheels when you lift the car or it could roll. I made some chocks out of some 2"x2" timber.
You don't need to "go into the computer" either. There are a couple of You tube videos that I watched about winding back the ebrake manually. They were wrong for my car (2013 E89 N20) and could have damaged the actuator if I hadn't realised in time.

The ebrake is just a motor (or two as both sides) which winds and unwinds an actuator onto the rear caliper. That is pretty much it. It must be controlled by a pressure sensitive switch somewhere but that's not important for changing brakes.

I also managed to save the old wear sensors so have two new ones lying around if you want them for a bit of postage. :thumbsup:
 
The e brake needs to be off.

Otherwise the pads will be clamped hard onto the discs.

The e brake runs continuously in the background if it’s applied maintaining clamp pressures :thumbsup:
 
Some code readers will wind the piston back.I followed a you tube vid and removed the motor off the back of the calliper ,to wind it back.The little screws that hold the motor in place are only small and fill with crud.Make sure the torx bit has a good fit when you come to undo.I would buy a wear sensor ,you could always take it back if not used.
 
Pbondar said:
The e brake needs to be off.

Otherwise the pads will be clamped hard onto the discs.

The e brake runs continuously in the background if it’s applied maintaining clamp pressures :thumbsup:

Hi Pete, i don’t believe the ebrake runs continuously - it relies on a self locking mechanism to maintain brake pressure when applied but no power is being fed. If the car is detected moving the car applies power to the ebrake until movement has stopped :thumbsup:
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Rob
 
Smartbear said:
Hi Pete, i don’t believe the ebrake runs continuously
Pressure sensors, or more likely, current sensors. That is how they can allow for pad wear (I have no evidence just logic and having physically worked on them myself).
 
Pondrew said:
Deepseaskateboard said:
When the rear brake pads are changed, does the e-brake need to be on or off?

does it apply automatically when the car is powered down?
I did mine recently (I haven't touched anything car related in 35 years). It was relatively easy, much easier than I thought.
I left the ebrake off. It doesn't re-apply itself. I left it off for 3 days just to be sure (a little excessive I know). Just make sure you chock the other wheels when you lift the car or it could roll. I made some chocks out of some 2"x2" timber.
You don't need to "go into the computer" either. There are a couple of You tube videos that I watched about winding back the ebrake manually. They were wrong for my car (2013 E89 N20) and could have damaged the actuator if I hadn't realised in time.

The ebrake is just a motor (or two as both sides) which winds and unwinds an actuator onto the rear caliper. That is pretty much it. It must be controlled by a pressure sensitive switch somewhere but that's not important for changing brakes.

I also managed to save the old wear sensors so have two new ones lying around if you want them for a bit of postage. :thumbsup:

That is a kind offer, thank you, but I have already purchased some.
I have found an indy who fit my brakes (parts supplied by me)
BMW quoted about £850. I have purchased a full set of disks pads and sensors for £230 and to have them fitted is £144. Nkt too bad!
 
Smartbear said:
Pbondar said:
The e brake needs to be off.

Otherwise the pads will be clamped hard onto the discs.

The e brake runs continuously in the background if it’s applied maintaining clamp pressures :thumbsup:

Hi Pete, i don’t believe the ebrake runs continuously - it relies on a self locking mechanism to maintain brake pressure when applied but no power is being fed. If the car is detected moving the car applies power to the ebrake until movement has stopped :thumbsup:
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Rob

Rob,

As far as I can see looking at TIs we are both correct...

The DSC system monitors roll away conditions to re-apply the EFB and also temperature monitoring takes place to ensure adequate clamp pressure as the discs cool down.

As an aside my Rover 220 Turbo Coupe had mechanical parking brake sitting on rear discs...at my parent’s home, their drive was very steep, parked there, put the handbrake on, 49 minutes later car alarm going off, car had rolled down the driveway and had hit the house..

This refers

Temperature monitoring

Temperature monitoring ensures that the braking force reduction that occurs when hot brake discs cool is compensated for. Temperature monitoring is activated if the temperature exceeds a defined value when the parking brake status is changed from released to engaged.

The temperature of the brake discs is individually calculated for each wheel by the DSC control unit and transmitted to the parking brake control unit. During a state change, the higher of the two temperature is used for temperature monitoring. The corresponding temperature ranges with the associated retensioning times are stored in a characteristic map.

Depending on the temperature during the state change, the corresponding retensioning times are activated from the characteristic map. When the first retensioning time is reached, retensioning occurs for the first time. After expiry of the second retensioning time, retensioning occurs again; this is repeated once more after a third retensioning time. In the characteristic map, the value 0 can be stored for one or more retensioning times. In this case, the associated retensioning processes are omitted. The function ends when the last retensioning process is finished.

Roll monitoring

The roll monitoring function prevents the vehicle from rolling with the parking brake engaged. Roll monitoring is always activated when the parking brake status changes from released to engaged and ends after a defined time elapses after this status change.

The input parameter used to detect rolling is a signal from the DSC. When roll monitoring is active, the EMF actuators are retensioned as soon as this signal indicates that the vehicle is beginning to roll. The EMF actuators are supplied with full current for 100 ms to increase their tension. Then the system waits for 400 ms. If the vehicle begins rolling again, the retensioning procedure is repeated (a maximum of three times). If, after the third retensioning, the monitor still detects the vehicle as rolling, the function ends with a fault entry in the fault memory.
 
If you unplug the motors and refit, next time you run code reader you might some errors come up, just clear them. I have had my car brakes off several times, no problems.
Something i couldn't do from dash was reset the brake wear counter, stuck at 2000 mile to go. (think it's needs to be down to last 400 to reset)
I reset it using Foxwell reader.
 
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