Clarkson what a C***

2dogs said:
Carol M said:
Why is it when a black person uses the word it's ok/funny and when anyone else does, either on purpose/mumbled, its offensive?
Can't a black person offend another black person? Or am I missing something?
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Im with you on this one Carol.
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On your point Carol, It's like thin people joking about fat people vs fat people joking about fat people, or nazis joking about jews vs jews joking about jews... you get this jist...

The dynamics of humour is interesting at that level... this is interesting

http://www.richardherring.com/press/6149/guardian_article_about_offensive_comedy.html
 
davegt said:
I've seen the clip, he was reciting "eenie meeni miny moe" to choose between two cars and mumbled a few words in the middle rather that saying them out right, the clip was cut and reshot using the word "teacher" for the broadcasted version.

He didn't say the word but I guess you could say it may have been implied, it's just been twisted out of proportion by the newspapers to sell an outdated form of media.
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I totally agree that it's being blown out of proportion by a newspaper with an axe to grind and an idiot at the BBC who leaked it to them. Whilst Clarkson might be an oaf who talks without thinking, I personally think some characters are out to get him and he didn't use the n word.
 
What a joke - typical headline taken out of context to get media attention :thumbsdown:

Had it been said in anger, hang him high... given the explanation of the circumstances I wouldn't give it a second thought
 
Carol M said:
Why is it when a black person uses the word it's ok/funny and when anyone else does, either on purpose/mumbled, its offensive?
Can't a black person offend another black person? Or am I missing something?
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As an African American (black man) I can tell you that the educated do not use the term to describe each other, just those who don't seem to grasp its true meaning. However if you know the history of slavery you might understand why it is offensive for a white person to use it and not a black person towards each other.
 
Not sure if this goes down well but....... surely there is a difference in someone hurling offensive comments,and someone making ( albeit not correct ) jokey comments. I for one know when someone is being offensive, and just having a dig. Maybe we would all get on a little better if we took a more light hearted view and not just jump on the PC bandwagon. I am in no way shape or form racist and I dont believe Mr. Clarkson is really, just prone to occasional gaffes ( like Boris ). I think basically what I am saying is ..... If it was intended to offend, then being strung up by as he puts it,by his gentleman sausage comes no way near close to punishment enough, but if, as I believe it was a silly mistake,which we all make , then saying sorry is enough ?
 
Bing said:
Stan1970 said:
Or maybe you work for a newspaper?
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I think that perhaps the title of the thread is supposed to be ironic, given that 'cock' is one of Clarkson's stock words...

Having been to Top Gear and heard him talking to the audience and co-workers between takes, he seems like a genuinely nice guy with a great sense of humour. The media outcry is typical of tabloid journalism - just a shame that it's become the stock approach of a large proportion of TV reporting nowadays. Hardly surprising given who owns Sky. Unfortunately he's the perfect target given his past indiscretions, but he's done nothing wrong and suggestions he should be sacked are ridiculous. I'd be interested in what happens to the BBC employee who leaked it, if they can find out who it is. I'd have thought that releasing un-broadcast material without consent is definitely a stackable offence...
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jarhead said:
Carol M said:
Why is it when a black person uses the word it's ok/funny and when anyone else does, either on purpose/mumbled, its offensive?
Can't a black person offend another black person? Or am I missing something?
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As an African American (black man) I can tell you that the educated do not use the term to describe each other, just those who don't seem to grasp its true meaning. However if you know the history of slavery you might understand why it is offensive for a white person to use it and not a black person towards each other.
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I do know the history and I know and understand why the word is offensive.

I just don't understand why the likes of Chris Rock can say it and it's classed as funny (to some) and not many people really bat an eye.
If it is a taboo word, then it should be to everyone, surely?

It can't always be put down to lack of educations when certain black people say it, can it?
 
Unfortunately Carol, the whole issue is quite confusing to even black people and I agree that it should be a taboo word to everyone however the chris rock generation simply ignore it's connotation as do other black youngsters. Like you pointed out they think of it as cool or funny but I put it down to lack of proper education as to what their ancestors really went through.

As for Clarkson I don't believe he said it and neither do I think he's racist. The whole thing is being blown out of proportion simply because it's him
 
I agree with everything you say.

I think he hummed a noise similar to the word, listening to it.

Bit of a witch hunt imo. Like Hammond says, he's an idiot but not a racist.
 
as a young afro carribbean dude....

whats the big deal, it was ages ago for one, secondly he didn't say the word, thirdly, us young black guys use that very same word to each other WAY to much in everyday life ME included. i see no problem at all and have actually heard the clip in question.the mirror are wankers.Trust me us young black guys use that word in a much more offensive fashion, so i feel for him as he didn't even say the word, its not right for ANYONE of us to say it really.
 
I try to not judge anyone by one remark which can be a slip of the tongue or in a moment of anger or stress but more by their actions over a period of time.
 
Sae said:
2dogs said:
Carol M said:
Why is it when a black person uses the word it's ok/funny and when anyone else does, either on purpose/mumbled, its offensive?
Can't a black person offend another black person? Or am I missing something?
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Im with you on this one Carol.
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On your point Carol, It's like thin people joking about fat people vs fat people joking about fat people, or nazis joking about jews vs jews joking about jews... you get this jist...

The dynamics of humour is interesting at that level... this is interesting

http://www.richardherring.com/press/6149/guardian_article_about_offensive_comedy.html
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I think that's a nonsense - if its offensive, offense is defined as how its received by its recipient, which means its possibly irrelevant who makes the comment, black, fat, nazi etc.

and if its not offensive - anyone can say it.

In my opinion - if any group of people are offended by a phrase or word, they shouldn't use it - period. It must be either all or non, and its either offensive or acceptable edgy humour, and having it be possibly both at the same time is a nonsense.
 
Complex issue.

For me the redeeming point is that when Clarkson started to choose a car using the rhyme 'Eeny meeny miny mow' - a common rhyme used to make such a choice by persons of his generation (and before) - as he got to the potential offensive part, mumbled the content realising of course that at that point the rhymes original word was now offensive and inappropriate. He went on to finish the rhyme with the use of 'teacher' which, when I watched the programme, I thought was a clever and funny replacement.

I interpreted this event as being Clarkson recognising how the word was now not appropriate and making that point by mumbling in recognition of a changing and more knowledgeable world. To me it came across as a genuine use of a common method of making a choice when one was younger in the school yard but which was now not acceptable in it's original form. It reinforced the point that the world has moved on so I'm surprised it made the press other than for the reasons already posted.

Having said all that I have to say that most white people unless they have been through some anti racist training or awareness course do not understand the nature or impact of racism. It is one of those things that one has to go through before really getting the point as it's not just 'feeling or thinking you're not racist' or that someone's not racist, it's far more than that simple concept and involves complex history, exploitation, expectation, stereotypes, portrayal, power, experience and effects. Please don't be quick to dismiss and belittle this approach as until a person has been through such a course that perception won't be there. It is one of those things you have to go through to appreciate.

The good news is that things are changing (slowly)

:driving: :thumbsup:
 
chris g said:
http://www.richardherring.com/press/6149/guardian_article_about_offensive_comedy.html

I think that's a nonsense - if its offensive, offense is defined as how its received by its recipient, which means its possibly irrelevant who makes the comment, black, fat, nazi etc.

and if its not offensive - anyone can say it.

In my opinion - if any group of people are offended by a phrase or word, they shouldn't use it - period. It must be either all or non, and its either offensive or acceptable edgy humour, and having it be possibly both at the same time is a nonsense.
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Don't get me wrong dude, of course it's wrong.

And tbh, unless you have been on the receieving end of racism/cultural bullying I don't think you'll get it... which is why I'm not suprised there are so many "storm in a tea cup comments" on here.

The article is only showing that that type of humour has been around for a while and wider than just TG, it's still wrong but at least you know whats probably behind the method of humour.
And I disagree that JC is stupid, he's very intellectual indeed and knows what he's doing, I think hammond is playing the stupid card to help his mate out.
 
paulgs1000 said:
Complex issue.
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Having said all that I have to say that most white people unless they have been through some anti racist training or awareness course do not understand the nature or impact of racism. It is one of those things that one has to go through before really getting the point as it's not just 'feeling or thinking you're not racist' or that someone's not racist, it's far more than that simple concept and involves complex history, exploitation, expectation, stereotypes, portrayal, power, experience and effects. Please don't be quick to dismiss and belittle this approach as until a person has been through such a course that perception won't be there. It is one of those things you have to go through to appreciate.

The good news is that things are changing (slowly)
:driving: :thumbsup:
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+1 :thumbsup:

Back to driving and modding threads now :driving:
 
Why is everyone referring to racism as a white against black thing? Racism works both ways...but when it's the other way round it doesn't get reported the same.


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So man just avoids reading out an offensive word, clip of non-reading is not shown on TV, PC brigade have orgy of self-flagellation over a near miss :yawn:


Talking of a near miss this is much more interesting http://youtu.be/mPL0Koapt08
 
This satirical look at the use of "that word" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8fnoZXrmdU
may put things in perspective.

I posted it a while back as it has been around for a good while but is particularly relevant now.

Advisory! It contains strong language and some scenes of a sexual nature. If that doesn't get you watching nothing will. :roll:
 
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