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Carver DSP + Aftermarket Audio - Everything you need to know in one place

OneFastMac

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Wichita, KS, USA
I recently had an adventure with my Z4's aftermarket audio and I learned that my car was originally equipped with the Carver DSP "Top HiFi" Premium Audio system. I bought the car with aftermarket equipment already installed, but none of it worked properly and I had to dig and scrape and hunt for this information I'm about to share. Some of it was here. Some of it was on ZPOST, Some of the posts no longer had photos, some of the posts had vague information or missing details, some of it was on a private website where the information was detailed, but scattered and hard to parse (also a little too much gun propaganda, but that's neither here nor there)

So without any further adieu, I hereby present, in one single location, all the basic information needed for the next fool that buys an E85 Z4 with a butchered audio system. :P

The BMW Business CD radio on the DSP system only provides Channel 1 (Front Left) and Channel 2 (Front Right) audio signals to the OEM amplifier where the signals are summed, and the processed audio signals are sent to each individual speaker, including the Carver subwoofers. The radio and DSP amp are connected by the K bus which is a digital signal specific to the vehicle's built-in systems.

What that means:
-You can’t use an aftermarket amp with the stock radio.
-You can’t use an aftermarket radio with the stock amp.
-You can’t use the Carver subwoofers without the stock amp.
-You can’t use the built-in bluetooth phone features without the stock radio.
-You’re gonna be so mad if you bought a Z4 with a non-functioning DSP system.

What you can do about it:
-You CAN install an aftermarket radio with an aftermarket amplifier using the stock wiring harness.
-You CAN replace the Carver subwoofers (that procedure is not covered here, but you can do it I believe in you. It may be worth it to just buy the standard woofers from the non-DSP system. They'll fit in the same place and they're just standard paper 2ohm woofers, like $50 on ebay)
-You CAN enjoy great sound from all ten speakers with most any aftermarket analog amp or DSP amp.

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This shows the pin blocks at the OEM radio harness. You’ll only be using the following pins from block A. Wire colors are for the OEM "Top HiFi" wiring which will come in handy when wiring up signal inputs at the amp. Your radio harness adapter will have different colors and probably include some wires that you will not need to connect to anything because of reasons.

2 - Front Right Positive -- Blue w/Red
7 - Front Right Negative -- Brown w/Orange
3 - Front Left Positive -- Yellow w/Red
8 - Front Left Negative -- Brown w/Orange
12 - Ground wire -- Brown
13 - Amp Remote Power -- White
15 - 12v Power -- Red w/Yellow
16 - Radio Remote Power -- Violet w/White

(When wiring in power for the amp, the white #13 wire is your remote turn-on signal. You can find it in the factory amp wiring harness.)

You’ll be tempted to connect ALL the wires on your radio harness adapter but I assure you, you only need the 8 connections listed above. Since the OEM radio is connected to the K-Bus, signals from other wires won’t be interpreted by your aftermarket system and may cause numerous issues with system operation including but not limited to: Amp always on, dead battery now, panic because you thought you knew what you were doing, you idiot.

In my case, I had a 4 channel amp and if you paid attention up to this point, you understand that there are only 2 channels of audio coming from the OEM radio harness.
Because of that, I wanted to send full range frequencies to the tweeters and mid-range speakers and low range frequencies to the front woofers and rear subwoofers.

How I achieved this is by connecting the factory Ch1 and Ch2 wiring to the corresponding hi-level inputs on the amp and splicing channels 3 & 4 into Ch1 and Ch2. This way, the same signals are being fed to all four corresponding channels on the amp, but I used the low-pass filter just on Ch3 & Ch4. I wired speaker-out channels 1 & 2 to the six high and mid frequency speakers and I wired speaker-out channels 3 & 4 to the front and rear low frequency woofers.

This is where it can get a little overwhelming because of just how many wires there are on the amp harness. The guide above will tell you which wires to use for your amp inputs and the guide below will tell you which wires to use for your speaker outputs.

Speaker locations and wire colors:
LEFT SPEAKERS
- Tweeter Positive — Yellow w/Red
- Tweeter Negative — Yellow w/Brown

- Front Door Positive — Blue w/White
- Front Door Negative — Blue w/Brown

- Front Kick Woofer Positive — Red w/Yellow
- Front Kick Woofer Negative — Red w/Brown

- Rear Upper Positive — Yellow w/Black
- Rear Upper Negative — Yellow w/Brown

- Rear Lower (Subwoofer) Positive — Yellow
- Rear Lower (Subwoofer) Negative — Brown

RIGHT SPEAKERS
- Tweeter Positive — Blue w/Black
- Tweeter Negative — Blue w/Brown

- Front Door Positive — Blue w/Red
- Front Door Negative — Blue w/Brown

- Front Woofer Positive — Blue w/White
- Front Woofer Negative — Blue w/Brown

- Rear Upper Positive — White w/Black
- Rear Upper Negative — White w/Brown

- Rear Lower (Subwoofer) Positive — Blue
- Rear Lower (Subwoofer) Negative — Brown

This is all the info you need to have to successfully wire up an aftermarket radio with an aftermarket amp in your Top HiFi “Premium Audio” CarverTM BMW E85 Z4. Your mileage may vary, but everything you need should be listed above. Happy soldering!
 
If anyone wants to chime in with their experiences and knowledge from the Basic 6 Speaker system or the Non-DSP 10 Speaker system, that would be great to have that additional info in the same place as well.
 
That's a pretty definitive summary. :thumbsup:

Thankfully my DSP system is all present and correct, but if I get any issues I know where to look now and hopefully others will find it useful!
 
Mr Tidy said:
That's a pretty definitive summary. :thumbsup:

Thankfully my DSP system is all present and correct, but if I get any issues I know where to look now and hopefully others will find it useful!
My only regret is that I never got to hear how it was supposed to sound. Heh.
 
My first Z4 had it too! It's certainly loud, but has more bass than I'd like so I don't use it much. :roll:

Now I've got my MC I prefer the sound-track of the engine. :)
 
I have the Carver DSP and 10 speaker system and Nav Pro in MC, I didn't care much for the sound from the amp.

After a lot of research and some great information from this forum I found that I could replace the amp and keep the factory head unit,

so it is possible to use an aftermarket amp with the factory head unit.

Now to caveat that statement, the Radio and CD work normally through the amp, and Bluetooth is direct from the Amp, I also have Carplay linked into the system and added an aftermarket DAB too through the radio (not ideal but at least I have access to more stations), I went for a 12 channel amp in the end which I can customise, its a pretty clever bit of kit and sits in the same place as the original amp. I didn't cut any wires, and made up a custom loom to bridge between the existing wiring and new amp.

Amp used - Helix V Twelve DSP Mk2

This is a great bit of kit and as you can customise it with virtual channels, or map each channel I/O if you wanted, I also upgraded all the speakers too whilst I was doing this upgrade.

Overall I am very please with the result, although I think I need a professional to setup the AMP properly with each channel for optimum performance.
 
As much as I'd love to boost my audio system from the standard business radio, I genuinely have no idea where to start, what to buy, what's compatible or what's good and bad.
 
OneFastMac said:
If anyone wants to chime in with their experiences and knowledge from the Basic 6 Speaker system or the Non-DSP 10 Speaker system, that would be great to have that additional info in the same place as well.

Resurrecting this post hopefully, specifically for the Non-DSP 10-speaker system. I know it's not as complicated but the information out there is outdated and conflicting.

Can I just throw this head unit in and expect it to work? I can't tell! Any advice would be super helpful. I have a 2006 Z4 M Roadster with the S677 HiFi system Professional DSP, which I'm fairly certain is non-Carver but still 10 speaker?

https://bossaudio.com/collections/apple-carplay/products/791489133449
 
f3e1d8i said:
OneFastMac said:
If anyone wants to chime in with their experiences and knowledge from the Basic 6 Speaker system or the Non-DSP 10 Speaker system, that would be great to have that additional info in the same place as well.

Resurrecting this post hopefully, specifically for the Non-DSP 10-speaker system. I know it's not as complicated but the information out there is outdated and conflicting.

Can I just throw this head unit in and expect it to work? I can't tell! Any advice would be super helpful. I have a 2006 Z4 M Roadster with the S677 HiFi system Professional DSP, which I'm fairly certain is non-Carver but still 10 speaker?

https://bossaudio.com/collections/apple-carplay/products/791489133449
Unfortunately, S677 HiFi Professional DSP is the Carver system.
S676 HiFi speaker system is the 10-speaker non-DSP.
 
Zedebee said:
Unfortunately, S677 HiFi Professional DSP is the Carver system.
S676 HiFi speaker system is the 10-speaker non-DSP.

See, that's exactly where I get confused though! Other posts in this forum say:
"DSP is only on the "Top Hi-Fi" (Carver) system. There are two different 10 speaker systems, the other being "Hi-Fi", only the the Top Hi-Fi is Carver." So even though on the VIN decoding, it just says "Hi-Fi Speaker System", it is indeeed the Top Hi-Fi?

If so, then I would just do exactly what's above if I were to replace the head unit, correct?
 
So I think there are two types of rear speakers, the Carver Amp which also has DSP, has subs in the rear, where the other is a standard speaker as part of the 10 speakers. Do you have the Nav and DSP in the screen settings? If not I’m pretty sure you don’t have a sub in the rear, easy to check though by removing the rear grille…
 
unique233 said:
Do you have the Nav and DSP in the screen settings?

Mine doesn't have the Nav screen nor was it removed. I am actually buying the car this weekend so I don't have it with me yet so not sure about the sub in the rear. He says the audio is stock aside from adding a DICE unit for music, but it is wired only.
 
The confusion comes because the “top hi-fi” has many different names - carver, logic 7, DSP etc. If you have option 677, the above guide is appropriate. If you have 676, then it is not.

The difference and similarities between the two 10-speaker systems is as follows:
676 and 677 both have the same tweeters
677 has upgraded “top hifi” mid range speakers in the doors and behind the headrest
676 has woofers behind the seats, same as the ones in the footwells
677 has “Carver” sub-woofers behind the seats, but the woofers in the footwells are the same as 676.
The Carver subs have a bespoke 30v feed which I understand is what makes the system difficult to upgrade.
676 and 677 both have an amp in the boot (the 6-speaker system does not), but 677 has digital signal processing (DSP) and is more powerful.
 
Thanks all this is a very useful thread. Can anyone electrically justify the statement "You can’t use an aftermarket radio with the stock amp". I currently have a 677 full setup on the bench and whilst I have yet to test I am not sure why it won't be possible to switch out the head.

Thanks
 
razza360 said:
Thanks all this is a very useful thread. Can anyone electrically justify the statement "You can’t use an aftermarket radio with the stock amp". I currently have a 677 full setup on the bench and whilst I have yet to test I am not sure why it won't be possible to switch out the head.

Thanks
This is a very late reply, sorry!

The DSP amp is wired and controlled through the K-Bus. An aftermarket head unit (to my knowledge) will not be able to correctly communicate with the OEM DSP amp. The other issue you would run into (as I did) is that the DSP wiring loom is *different* than the analog 10 speaker wiring. You only have ch1 and ch2 audio so any head unit you install using the stock wiring will not have front/rear fade adjustment capability. Some head units have special features that process audio specifically for 4 channel output (or additionally a subwoofer out) and that simply won't work unless you've got an aftermarket amp and are adding low-level cables from your head unit to the new amp.

You may be able to make an aftermarket head unit work with the DSP amp? IDK! My car didn't have the DSP amp when I bought it as a previous owner had made a huge mess of the audio system in an attempt to use aftermarket equipment.

I am currently using a single-din CarPlay stereo connected to a JBL 8-channel DSP amp. The "SKAR" subwoofers someone installed behind the seats after they removed the carver subs have been wired up correctly now as well and are thumping quite nicely! I had to cheat a bit to make all 10 speakers work on the 8ch amp, but the amp has USB connectivity and you can set up frequencies, timing, volumes, etc for each individual channel through software. This has ended up being a terrific setup and very budget friendly.
 
Hi All,
I am thinking of going to see a couple of Z4Ms with a view to a purchase. Is there any way I can tell from a visual inspection whether a car has the problematic 677 Carver setup? Obviously I cant start removing panels or speaker grills on someone elses car or a car at a dealership. (I am a complete beginner when it comes to car sound systems)
Any advice at all would be great please?
 
You can tell by looking in the boot near the battery and inspecting the amp. But by far the easiest way is to get the VIN number and then use one of the BMW sites to see what options the car car out of the factory with.
 
Thanks for the tips razza. I have seen the bulge in the boot where the battery lives. I dont suppose anyone has a photo of where I could find the amp and what to look for to tell me its the carver? Regarding the VIN number, I'll see if I can get it from the dealer of the next car I hope to look at. Would a site like this (just found it with an online search) give me the info?
https://bimmer.work
 
The non convertible layout is slightly different but I would go off the vin. Just to be very clear the loom for the calver is probably the easiest to mod. But the head and amp is probably going into the bin and you need to change the woofers but this is all cheap and easy. Also you are going to have to do that whatever z4 you buy. If you don’t take the car too seriously you won’t go far wrong.
 
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