Calling Scottish Dwellers...

Great debate, on my way home now (if anyone is in any of the zed's ive seen/waved to today?).

I'm with pvr - i'm English and would never dream of voting independence. It's not even a question - i'm happy to pay stupid tax to be part of a better country. Sometimes i think people need to get out more and realise how much of a good deal we really have here.

Coincidentally, on voting day i walked past a polling 'place' as they call it - Yes woman stood outside harassing voters. Scottish guy with two sons walks past tells her to do one, turns out shes English - told me i'd have to live in Scotland to understand, i told her she should try living anywhere in the UK and i bet she'd notice no difference other than having less free stuff.

As i mentioned before i'd heard riots in Glasgow were planned regardless of outcome. no surprise really, i doubt either 'side' was actually involved - just footie idiots.

I'm skeptical of 'devo-max' as it works on the principle that local govt is better than central. Have you ever been in your local council office? Christ - they can barely organise parking permits. I'd prefer fairer voting, a more sustainable, self sufficient and green agenda and (contrastingly...) escape from EU control.
 
There are plenty people on yon side of the channel who have travelled from far an wide trying to get into the UK .

Re the local Govt Offices - You've hit the nail on the head! Most of the idiots wouldn't survive in the real world. They do not do joined up thinking.
Better than average salaries and pensions yet still they moan "hard done by"
 
It seems there just weren't enough people on benefits and too many people with a brain for Scotlard to vote for independence. Wales would surely have said yes in an independence referendum!
 
ronk said:
Re the local Govt Offices - You've hit the nail on the head! Most of the idiots wouldn't survive in the real world. They do not do joined up thinking.
Better than average salaries and pensions yet still they moan "hard done by"
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As an ex-local government worker, that's a pretty harsh assessment of the good work that a lot of them do. It's a cheap throw away comment, I understand that, and some might say that the real world would not survive without them. Police, teachers, nurses, social workers etc, etc. As for the pension, they all pay into a scheme and it used to be a good scheme (80th) but its not that any more, we have to remember its not a race to the bottom.

I would not want to go back and work in local government. If you think it's that easy - get a job there, put your feet up and watch your pension pot grow! :poke:
 
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Nothing personal be assured but I have first experience of both sides and tell you I would not swap my crown pension for my private sector pittance!
 
I can see why the SE of England gets less public expenditure. It doesn't need it. It's the wealthiest part of the UK. Public sector investment is always going to be targeted at areas where private sector investment for what ever reason hasn't happened. It's often used as a stimulus but it's also partly attributable to higher levels of unemployment etc. So I don't get too hung up about Scotland receiving more than the average if it is necessary but I think when they use that surplus to dole out free university tuition and free prescription and not on things like upgrading infrastructure or creating enterprise zones then I think it becomes an issue. Therein lies the whole debate. Blair opened this can of worms - the reason the lid was always firmly kept on devolution was because its either full independence or no devolved power. There is no happy medium. As soon as a country or region starts to get used to some degree of autonomy then they want more and more. Now we've got an almighty mess. Scotland narrowly avoided voting for separation and now England quite rightly wants more say over English matters (or more correctly wants Scotland, NI and Wales to have no say). Add into that the whole Devo Max thing as well and it is a right old mess. What right does Gordon Brown have to be making grandiose statements promising all sorts to the Scots. He has no mandate to speak for the vast majority of the British electorate and none of the main parties has any mandate to promise those things to Scotland.
 
Without the support of Scottish labour MPs then what chance does labour stand ?
Hence keep them sweet!
 
The discrimination / punishment factor for living outside of Scotland is what causes friction.

Our prescription charges go up and up, the uni fees have risen for my son from £8300 two years ago to £9000 this year.

If it was all to be fair, why is it that my niece with a Dutch passport could study in Scotland at Scottish rates, whilst my children have to pay English fees even if they study in Scotland?
 
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