Bye Bye counterpart driving license
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There was indeed a whole discussion about this a while back as the concept was sold on the basis that it was an alternative to a penalty (not sure I could understand that point though as you were caught either way, so as far as an insurance company was concerned you were a danger - irrespective of how you were "punished").
The insurance company is not able to get to that data (supposedly), so you would have to lie when asked the question and hope they don't open up this database (another u-turn?).
Still don't get the insurance company interest in speeding points business, the UK is one of a very few countries where they do that.
The insurance company is not able to get to that data (supposedly), so you would have to lie when asked the question and hope they don't open up this database (another u-turn?).
Still don't get the insurance company interest in speeding points business, the UK is one of a very few countries where they do that.
So, moving house in a week. Any advantages in doing it quick to get a paper counterpart?
If the points are put on electronically after next month, then will I always have a clean counterpart to show?
If the points are put on electronically after next month, then will I always have a clean counterpart to show?
Foiled again.
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This is great news. As others have said, it was a pretty silly idea to start with. At last I will be able to carry my licence in my wallet.
pvr said:
I shall hang onto my paper counterpart for a year at least. When hiring cars around Europe many insist upon it. Failure to produce equals no car and try telling a Spanish or Italian, etc. car hire desk clerk that you don't have one, or don't need one...
I shall let the system settle before falling foul of anything like that in the first few months, same as in Spain where with chip and pin where half the bloody retailers still demand DL or passport as ID.
Separately the comment about no chip on a DL is most likely due to the fact that all readers use a standard position, which happens to be exactly where the top of the face is on a DL. Suggest more likely they could not cheaply redesign to accommodate it, nor had any suitable technology in the field to even read it.
pvr said:
In the Republic of Ireland many years ago, my uncle drove cars on a tractor licence. After a clamp down by the gardai he was forced to take a test for his car licence and failed. He then failed 2 more times before they then gave him a licence as they didn't have the facilities to retest all the people the gardai were forcing to take test!!!
pvr said:
This article is dated July 14 and says the Government is developing the software for organisations to access the data electronically to be released 'later this year'.
I thought most IT projects end up being a year late and 3 times over budget? :lol:
pvr said:
I can't remember if I was asked about any SAC last time I sorted insurance out. However I did read the T&Cs very carefully and it explicitly says that the fact you've done one will remain recorded on police computers only and not shared with any third parties for any reason. The record is kept for 7 years - the first three to cover the period of time within which you will get points not another SAC, and the latter four to 'measure the effectiveness of the scheme'.
Bing - I know that is what they said, but I am being cynical.
- They said that the course is an alternative to points and insurance hikes. That was the selling factor.
- Now the insurance companies use this to raise premiums, so as the SOC organisers had "promised" that it would make no difference on your insurance, how do we know that the "promise" to keep the data for police records only, will be honoured?
I have not done a SAC, so do not have to think about this - but it would be really difficult to think of what I would say if the straight question was asked. Morally, I would not feel I had to tell them, just like when they ask if the car has been modified - you say "no", as you have made a choice that those different tyre valves caps are not relevant when it comes to modification.
- They said that the course is an alternative to points and insurance hikes. That was the selling factor.
- Now the insurance companies use this to raise premiums, so as the SOC organisers had "promised" that it would make no difference on your insurance, how do we know that the "promise" to keep the data for police records only, will be honoured?
I have not done a SAC, so do not have to think about this - but it would be really difficult to think of what I would say if the straight question was asked. Morally, I would not feel I had to tell them, just like when they ask if the car has been modified - you say "no", as you have made a choice that those different tyre valves caps are not relevant when it comes to modification.
PVR - I was asked last week by Enterprise in Malaga despite being a plus member.
That's what makes me think that for the sake of a sheet of paper I'll hold onto it for 6 months and try a few without showing it and see what happens.
That's what makes me think that for the sake of a sheet of paper I'll hold onto it for 6 months and try a few without showing it and see what happens.
I agree - I always have it with me when travelling, just never offer it and as in Ireland - ask them what exactly they are going to gain from looking at it, as the fact that I have the plastic license means that I have a license, and the fact whether I have 0 or 12 points, it makes no difference for the rental anyway.
They can never answer that question.
They can never answer that question.
I've decided.
I'm going to send away my licence when I start back at work after the move, so they can't send me anywhere too far from home.
Then when It comes back, I'm going to send off for my replacement passport, which is due in June.
No sending me to exotic (i.e. ffffreeeezing) foreign soil over the christmas period = Result!
I'm going to send away my licence when I start back at work after the move, so they can't send me anywhere too far from home.
Then when It comes back, I'm going to send off for my replacement passport, which is due in June.
No sending me to exotic (i.e. ffffreeeezing) foreign soil over the christmas period = Result!
Here's the current Enterprise rules. Can't find the Spanish, but until I see this changed I'm carrying it...
United Kingdom:
•All drivers must have a valid non-expired driving license and photographic identification to be produced at the time of rental. Two part license holders must produce both parts
Ireland:
•All drivers must produce, at the time of rental, a valid non-expired driver's license and two proofs of address including photographic identification. Two part license holders must present both parts.
United Kingdom:
•All drivers must have a valid non-expired driving license and photographic identification to be produced at the time of rental. Two part license holders must produce both parts
Ireland:
•All drivers must produce, at the time of rental, a valid non-expired driver's license and two proofs of address including photographic identification. Two part license holders must present both parts.