Buying a Z4... Cap Values

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pandamonia

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Can you guys give me some advice on E89 prices.

Similar thread in the Z4M forum too as im looking at those also.

If you were buying a Z4 would you pay more than what CAP says its worth???

They all seem to be priced higher than the valuations. For example the 35i on AT is £15850 but Cap says £14xxx and webuyanycar are offering less than 10k! for it lol.

Also does the fact winter is here affect what its now worth?

Thanks
 
Winter does affect roadster prices,not so much coupes,although car prices seem to peak in spring/summer.


Cap is a trade price guide... The prices are generally at least a grand under what stock is out there at any given time,if not closer to 2 grand.

WBAC are a joke for the desperate and needy.Dont even take their "valuation" with any credibility..
 
Z4M-2006 said:
Winter does affect roadster prices,not so much coupes,although car prices seem to peak in spring/summer.


Cap is a trade price guide... The prices are generally at least a grand under what stock is out there at any given time,if not closer to 2 grand.

WBAC are a joke for the desperate and needy.Dont even take their "valuation" with any credibility..
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You say that but BMW offered me less than WBAC, The best i could get for my 330d E92 was £600 less than than what they offered. Trade in prices were in line with Glasses Guide but £1000 less than WBAC.

Im used to cars being worth less than what i expect but im not used to seeing asking prices so much higher than CAP and Glasses valuations for private sales.

Im not adverse to buying a car for what its worth, but i cant seem to get my bearings on what is a good buy with asking prices all over the place! :)
 
That suprises me about BMW being lower than WBAC...Put details of Z4M's into there site and see how far out they are..lol..

Pricewise,just look at available stock on all the usual sites. Despite what Cap/whatcar/WBAC say,if you want to buy and the current stock is all more expensive,thats what you have to pay.
 
Z4M-2006 said:
That suprises me about BMW being lower than WBAC...Put details of Z4M's into there site and see how far out they are..lol..

Pricewise,just look at available stock on all the usual sites. Despite what Cap/whatcar/WBAC say,if you want to buy and the current stock is all more expensive,thats what you have to pay.
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According to dealers i spoke to up and down the country they are always lower than WBAC. They offer you Glass valuation trade in every time unless they desperate to sell a car or have money on the sale price of another. It might also have something to do with the car and model. 3 Coupe are much easier to sell than a Z4M for example so that may affect it.

I suppose the only choice those sellers have is a private sale given no one else will give anywhere near what they are asking. Might be worth phoning a few and asking why they think their cars are worth £2.5k above valuation?
 
You seem to be stuck on "valuation"...


The market denotes the price of cars like the Z4M... Relatively rare and few for sale at any given time.

The prices are driven by the cheapest out there,these will be high milers/owners/crap history and shabby..... The most expensive will be low miles with impecable history/good spec/History and an interesting colour... So without looking i say your range will be £12,000 to £22,000 (coupe) or £10,000 to £20,000 roady..

Anything inbetween is fair play.. Guides and books rarely get it right on niche motors.

Z4M's generally do get sold in private sales,most are well known via the net and forums... The odd dealer gets them in but they seem to price them higher than private sales by a couple of grand.
 
Z4M-2006 said:
You seem to be stuck on "valuation"...


The market denotes the price of cars like the Z4M... Relatively rare and few for sale at any given time.

The prices are driven by the cheapest out there,these will be high milers/owners/crap history and shabby..... The most expensive will be low miles with impecable history/good spec/History and an interesting colour... So without looking i say your range will be £12,000 to £22,000 (coupe) or £10,000 to £20,000 roady..

Anything inbetween is fair play.. Guides and books rarely get it right on niche motors.

Z4M's generally do get sold in private sales,most are well known via the net and forums... The odd dealer gets them in but they seem to price them higher than private sales by a couple of grand.
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The Z4M i can understand, but i was referring to the E89 above. I have been thinking about scrapping the idea of the second car and getting a Z4 28i for both work and pleasure. id lose £300 a month on my fuel profit from my allowance but thats still less than running a second car. I was looking at the 4 series vert but the price is insane.... Im in a battle with myself at the minute with wanting to own a vert... :)
 
Ah sorry....

I was thinking from the M angle.

I dunno....I would have thought E89 prices are to go into freefall over the next few months and a bargain could be had. You just need to be ready to jump when the time comes..

4 series prices are still massive at the moment...I think you may be into next year when the "newness" has worn off a bit..
 
Time of year mainly and abundance of stock ..

Plenty to choose from out there, lots of choice brings value down
 
Z4M-2006 said:
Time of year mainly and abundance of stock ..

Plenty to choose from out there, lots of choice brings value down
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You do know that the Z4 sales have fallen quite a bit and have never been very strong. Just like with anything it all depends on the model you are looking for. There are more 2.0l variants to be found because they've become vey popular especially with the deals that have been going on with then almost since they launched the 2.0l, the exception to the rule in the 2.0l is the 28i as there ain't too many of them. In the 3.0l variants the 35is is the rarest of them all, even more rare than a ///M E85 or E86 with only 247 on the road and 1 sorn as at 16th June this year.

Values are based on car condition, mileage, service history and any optional extras. The more goodies it's got, the more a seller or dealership will ask for it however they are very reluctant when taking part ex's and buying stock to sell to pay more than the book price says. WBAC really want small economical runarounds that they can sell on quickly and that's why you'll never get a decent price from them.

With regards to what a dealer would give I think they were possibly talking out their @ss unless we are talking them just buying a car off a customer and not in part exchange. Only reason I say this is I traded my mint and extremely well spec'd E88 in January for my E89 and I got slightly more than a whatcar certificate valuation said and double what WBAN said they would pay. But if a dealer is buying a car to sell without selling another car in return I can see why they would want to hedge their bets. Not every car sells quickly and they could have it for months.

The price from a dealer also covers the cost of any work they have done to bring the car upto an acceptable standard (if needed), 6 months tax and usually a warranty. All these things need to be factored in. Plus if you buy from BMW and it's over 3 years old it will have a new MOT carried out and if a service is due with X amount of miles, I think 3k then that will be done too. All adds up at the end of the day.
 
I was in a dealer just a few days ago....CAP had my car at £14,500 but based on condition etc, he said he would give me £15800, this was after we had discussed the deal on the new car without taking mine into account.

Can't see him selling it himself as it's a different brand, but what did he know that I didn't?
 
Stark said:
Can't see him selling it himself as it's a different brand, but what did he know that I didn't?
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Different brand? You got a Merc?


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Z4's are like any mass produced 2 seater roady..

Small market weekend car.. You need to get into the rare limited models to retain money..
 
Stark said:
I was in a dealer just a few days ago....CAP had my car at £14,500 but based on condition etc, he said he would give me £15800, this was after we had discussed the deal on the new car without taking mine into account.

Can't see him selling it himself as it's a different brand, but what did he know that I didn't?
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It's a 35i M Sport and auto isn't it? Again a rare car and a decent spec so in sure they can make money on it. Probably sell it on to a franchised dealer. Although sometimes they do keep them to sell themselves.
 
Angie4m said:
Stark said:
I was in a dealer just a few days ago....CAP had my car at £14,500 but based on condition etc, he said he would give me £15800, this was after we had discussed the deal on the new car without taking mine into account.

Can't see him selling it himself as it's a different brand, but what did he know that I didn't?
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It's a 35i M Sport and auto isn't it? Again a rare car and a decent spec so in sure they can make money on it. Probably sell it on to a franchised dealer. Although sometimes they do keep them to sell themselves.
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But it's got 62k miles.......so let's see. Forum member wants to buy it
 
Z4M-2006 said:
Z4's are like any mass produced 2 seater roady..

Small market weekend car.. You need to get into the rare limited models to retain money..
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And this topic was about such a car. The 35i which again is very rare at only 777 in the uk. Ones a LHD, 242 are manual & 339 are auto both non m sports and 58 are manual and 137 are auto both M Sports. That's not a lot out there for a 'mass produced' car. And if BMW had stuck to its original promise that the E89 wouldn't be available in 2.0l and 4 cylinder only 6 cylinder 2.5 and above then there wouldn't be too many at all.
 
Stark said:
Angie4m said:
Stark said:
I was in a dealer just a few days ago....CAP had my car at £14,500 but based on condition etc, he said he would give me £15800, this was after we had discussed the deal on the new car without taking mine into account.

Can't see him selling it himself as it's a different brand, but what did he know that I didn't?
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It's a 35i M Sport and auto isn't it? Again a rare car and a decent spec so in sure they can make money on it. Probably sell it on to a franchised dealer. Although sometimes they do keep them to sell themselves.
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But it's got 62k miles.......so let's see. Forum member wants to buy it
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Weathers still good and being a folding hard top it does help with to lessen the depreciation over the winter. Hopefully it sells quickly and then you can tell us all why you've bought!
 
Guess my analogy isn't correct then.. The low volume 3.5is is shedding money like all E89's

Just not as badly as some of the lesser engined models..
 
Z4M-2006 said:
Guess my analogy isn't correct then.. The low volume 3.5is is shedding money like all E89's

Just not as badly as some of the lesser engined models..
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All cars loose value and some of the ones that are currently out there are well priced considering the discounts that could/can be had but it's how well spec'd they are thats the key. People want a few toys.

Looking at BMW AUC I couldn't get the same car as I bought in January for the money I paid. I'd have to pay more for older with the same miles and less spec or just under what I paid for same spec but older car and nearly 3 times the miles. So all depends as well on when you buy and what price you paid. The 35i has always been a lower value than the 35is but the 35i can be manual or auto and we know how dead against autos some people are.

However the 18i & 20i have been heavily marketed, very cheaply which appealed if you were looking for a toy or a good looking vert and probably wanted to change after two or three years. These then flood the market and bring prices down too especially as many will be standard trim and little or no toys.
 
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