Brexit Pessimism - give it a rest please !

[stuartC]

As for Brexit, if we can use it to negotiate a better deal with controls on the free movement of citizens then it's a great step, if we can't negotiate a new trade agreement without a better deal on the free movement of citizens then the UK is dead and buried within 10 years and England will be a much poorer place to live.

Spot on -- the EU has already stated that trade-deals go hand-in-hand with free-movement, so it seems we can't have our cake and eat it. Also the UK doesn't have *any* negotiators in the civil service, so it's going to be bloody tricky to negotiate any trade deals that are beneficial to the UK. Just my 2c from reading the Times. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[exdos]

...because being controlled by the elite in Brussels is w-a-y different to being controlled by the elite in Westminster. :roll:

Actually, it is! :roll:

How the hell did Jean Claude Junkers get to muscle his way into being President of the European Commission? Did you vote for him or anyone else in the "elite"? Have you ever looked into the European Stability Mechanism which operates from Luxembourg (from where Junkers hails) and the extraordinary powers granted to it by the EU?

 

[sars]

Not sure what this fixation on free movement of people is tbh.

haha

and who'll make your coffee at costa if they all have to leave

 

[exdos]

and who'll make your coffee at costa if they all have to leave

The Australians!

 

[wegras]

As for Brexit, if we can use it to negotiate a better deal with controls on the free movement of citizens then it's a great step, if we can't negotiate a new trade agreement without a better deal on the free movement of citizens then the UK is dead and buried within 10 years and England will be a much poorer place to live.

Spot on -- the EU has already stated that trade-deals go hand-in-hand with free-movement, so it seems we can't have our cake and eat it. Also the UK doesn't have *any* negotiators in the civil service, so it's going to be bloody tricky to negotiate any trade deals that are beneficial to the UK. Just my 2c from reading the Times. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The U.K. is the biggest single export market for German automakers, said Matthias Wissmann, head of the VDA, the country's auto industry association. Europe's politicians must now work to keep tariff-free trade between the EU and the U.K., he said.

two can play hardball

 

[firebobby]

Not sure what this fixation on free movement of people is tbh.

It is obvious that the objective of the "elite" in the EU is to create irreversible mass migration and population displacement, so that national borders become irrelevant. Once this occurs, there will be no need for the remaining 27 nations to have national representation in a European parliament and 450 million people will be treated as one population which can be controlled by the "elite". That's the reason why individuals such as the un-elected Jean Claude Junkers want to make "free movement of people" non-negotiable. Those wishing to remain within the EU are sleepwalking into servitude and subjugation.

...because being controlled by the elite in Brussels is w-a-y different to being controlled by the elite in Westminster. :roll:

At least we can vote for the Westminster elite, we can't vote the leaders in the EU cesspool.

 

[stuartC]

...because being controlled by the elite in Brussels is w-a-y different to being controlled by the elite in Westminster. :roll:

Actually, it is! :roll:

How the hell did Jean Claude Junkers get to muscle his way into being President of the European Commission? Did you vote for him or anyone else in the "elite"? Have you ever looked into the European Stability Mechanism which operates from Luxembourg (from where Junkers hails) and the extraordinary powers granted to it by the EU?

I don't recall voting for Theresa May either, but that's politics for ya

 

[wegras]

I don't recall voting for George ( Gordon ) Brown either so it must be politics

 

[original guvnor]

...because being controlled by the elite in Brussels is w-a-y different to being controlled by the elite in Westminster. :roll:

Actually, it is! :roll:

How the hell did Jean Claude Junkers get to muscle his way into being President of the European Commission? Did you vote for him or anyone else in the "elite"? Have you ever looked into the European Stability Mechanism which operates from Luxembourg (from where Junkers hails) and the extraordinary powers granted to it by the EU?

I don't recall voting for Theresa May either, but that's politics for ya

Unless you are a constituent of hers, nobody voted for her, or Cameron, Blair, etc. But her party won an election with a manifesto pledge to hold a EU referendum.