Brexit Pessimism - give it a rest please !

[Angie4m]

Great post Gov.

What's done is done and we just all have to make the most of whatever comes our way

 

[SeanConnor]

So what's the alternative ? I'm no idiot , and I still think it was a bloody bad idea leaving. I'm not running around whistling a happy tune with my thumbs tucked under my braces. Thank you for pointing out the size of the problem to me , I really hadn't realised. Silly me :!:

Didn't mean to sound condescending - apologies if it came across that way.

I work in the research sector and for me personally it's a potential disaster. I have already had two grant proposals trashed because large European manufactures are already refusing to sign letters of support or intent when UK institutions are the lead bidder. Yes this is already happening.

My point is that IT IS DONE and the longer we let the country tear itself apart arguing over the result the worse it will be.

I see. The referendum is done for sure but the actual exit isn't & I think that was my point really. In fact, TM has confirmed today that Article 50 won't be triggered this year at all. So that's 2019 at the earliest.

The best we can do, and in hindsight is probably the Gov's original point, is make the best out of bad situation.

FWIW, I'm sorry for your situation & hope all works out okay. I voted remain & have also been hit by a cancelled contract. Not a big one.

No problem mate , sounds like we are both in the same boat.

 

[David-H]

What a load of crap. Would you be on here touting for a re-vote if the result had gone the other way? Nah, course you wouldn't so you thought you'd speak for 17m people and basically label them all xenophobes and racists. Get over it and man the eff up.

You forgot retarded!

You're quite right. Anyone who thinks we need a second referendum clearly is.

+1

Brexit is causing some perturbations but the revised growth rates for this year and next are still better than those for France or Germany.

 

[pvr]

And the UK is at the front of the "exit" countries.

France has elections next year, with the current wave of troubles from immigrants, the far right will win and the far right wants out of Europe as well.

 

[original guvnor]

Rather than 'Leave' voters regretting their decisions, where I live (71% Leave, 29% Remain) if anything recent events have just strengthened the desire to get out, and fast. Nice, Germany, Turkey and its staged coup (to strengthen the hand of the radical Islamist president who seems determined to turn the country into a one-party state) have all highlighted why people voted to leave.

Immigration wasn't a primary concern to me. Things such as the fact that the 'prized' European Single Market is actually increasingly full of basket-case economies up to their eyeballs in debt, with no way out of their strait-jackets (that reference to insanity seems strangely appropriate) whilst the rest of the world gets on and trades with each other regardless. The EU is anti-competitive and is like trying to run with a ball and chain round your ankle. There's then the wastefulness, the lack of accountability, the sovereignty of our parliamentary democracy and only then immigration and security of our borders.

So no regrets here. Let's get on with Article 50.

 

[Jasey]

Let's get on with Article 50.

Completely agree with this.

Fucking around and pontificating is going to get us nowhere fast.

Of course those dodgy Tories could be be holding out for another neverendum when they come back from their "informal talks" and state we can't get access to the single market without following these rules regarding johnny foreigner being allowed to move freely.

 

[Fishy Dave]

Rather than 'Leave' voters regretting their decisions, where I live (71% Leave, 29% Remain) if anything recent events have just strengthened the desire to get out, and fast. Nice, Germany, Turkey and its staged coup (to strengthen the hand of the radical Islamist president who seems determined to turn the country into a one-party state) have all highlighted why people voted to leave.

Immigration wasn't a primary concern to me. Things such as the fact that the 'prized' European Single Market is actually increasingly full of basket-case economies up to their eyeballs in debt, with no way out of their strait-jackets (that reference to insanity seems strangely appropriate) whilst the rest of the world gets on and trades with each other regardless. The EU is anti-competitive and is like trying to run with a ball and chain round your ankle. There's then the wastefulness, the lack of accountability, the sovereignty of our parliamentary democracy and only then immigration and security of our borders.

So no regrets here. Let's get on with Article 50.

Yes, I agree totally, you reasons are exactly the same as why I and others in the office voted leave. I was aware of the pain we will go through in leaving and have already seen an effect on my business (Motor Racing in the UK and Europe), but feel it will be worth it long term. A vote for remain wouldn't have guaranteed stability long term either (in my opinion). The campaign saw selective truths, exaggerations, guess work and abuse of power on both sides, not politics finest hour.
I'm feeling positive longterm about it all actually.

 

[john-e89]

With a result of 48/52 I just think people didn't know what they were voting for. People were really split down the middle which way to vote before the vote and the result after shows that. People I've spoken to at work for remain knew the benefits of staying. People I spoke to who voted leave always suggested reasons to do with immigration and jobs first. I live in Birmingham so its quite diverse but work in Walsall were maybe white British now feel like the minority. Since the vote its really bought out the worst in some of my colleagues with opinions. All the UKIP drama was a major distraction from areas in the south of England and some parts of the north. I think remain would have won the majority vote if it wasn't for that play on this "winning the country back" theme.

Maybe your right there's no point in a re vote now hopefully in 30 years time when we look back we don't regret it for our kids sake.

Birmingham voted to leave.

 

[Zeld4]

Rather than 'Leave' voters regretting their decisions, where I live (71% Leave, 29% Remain) if anything recent events have just strengthened the desire to get out, and fast. Nice, Germany, Turkey and its staged coup (to strengthen the hand of the radical Islamist president who seems determined to turn the country into a one-party state) have all highlighted why people voted to leave.

Immigration wasn't a primary concern to me. Things such as the fact that the 'prized' European Single Market is actually increasingly full of basket-case economies up to their eyeballs in debt, with no way out of their strait-jackets (that reference to insanity seems strangely appropriate) whilst the rest of the world gets on and trades with each other regardless. The EU is anti-competitive and is like trying to run with a ball and chain round your ankle. There's then the wastefulness, the lack of accountability, the sovereignty of our parliamentary democracy and only then immigration and security of our borders.

So no regrets here. Let's get on with Article 50.

Even as a remainer I can't disagree with anything you say. I was on the fence for ages and eventually went for remain for ecomomic reasons. Mainly the uncertainty of the economy rather than believing everything would be rosy in the EU.

My doubts were democracy and accountability, and the feeling we were sleep walking in to something totally out of our control. I now hope there is no rerun of the referendum and I want the government who we democratically elected to take control of powers we gave away. And I have to say I am happy with the way May and Davis are handling the situation. After all, Junker is a hypocrite and a fraud, and an unelected one at that.

Some people I know and other people from here voted to leave even though they know in the short term it's not good for them because of their belief in democracy, and this should be applauded. If we want to start taking our politicians seriously then they have to be allowed to carry out what they say they will do with out people who aren't elected stopping them.

Lets go for it I say!!

 

[DavesZed]

I voted to leave and the amount of twenty year olds who slagged me off for ruining their lives ,who seemed to become politicians overnight are now walking the streets catching imaginary poke mons on their phones.time to grow up me thinks and make Britain great once again.

 

[uuf361]

I voted Remain as I couldn't see any tangible argument for voting out - the campaigns on both sides were awful and full of scaremongering headline grabbing rubbish.

People keep telling me that everything is fine or will be fine, but so far I can only see (personal) negatives:

Shares down (overall still 20%)
£ down still significantly
My neighbours house sale fell through as a direct result

I'm sure there are some positives but I see no evidence of them yet or how they will benefit me personally, but rather hope there is something, just no clue what it will be

 

[John002]

Price of corn flakes went up again ..Brexit!! Fell off your bike? tut tut thats Brexit for you!!
Everything will be brexits fault for the next 20years. Had I'd been aware of all the whining I might of voted to remain. Glad to see some acceptance and to know the world is still spinning though eh

 

[maxman]

Rather than 'Leave' voters regretting their decisions, where I live (71% Leave, 29% Remain) if anything recent events have just strengthened the desire to get out, and fast. Nice, Germany, Turkey and its staged coup (to strengthen the hand of the radical Islamist president who seems determined to turn the country into a one-party state) have all highlighted why people voted to leave.

Immigration wasn't a primary concern to me. Things such as the fact that the 'prized' European Single Market is actually increasingly full of basket-case economies up to their eyeballs in debt, with no way out of their strait-jackets (that reference to insanity seems strangely appropriate) whilst the rest of the world gets on and trades with each other regardless. The EU is anti-competitive and is like trying to run with a ball and chain round your ankle. There's then the wastefulness, the lack of accountability, the sovereignty of our parliamentary democracy and only then immigration and security of our borders.

So no regrets here. Let's get on with Article 50.

I voted out for the same reasons .The media are looking for cheap news stories by putting a pessimistic slant on everything..The BBC are the worst culprits.

 

[Jasey]

I voted out for the same reasons .The media are looking for cheap news stories by putting a pessimistic slant on everything..The BBC are the worst culprits.

They're at it again !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36864273

"Britain's decision to leave the EU has led to a "dramatic deterioration" in economic activity, not seen since the aftermath of the financial crisis.
Data from IHS Markit's Purchasing Manager's Index, or PMI, shows a fall to 47.7 in July, the lowest level since April in 2009. A reading below 50 indicates contraction.
Both manufacturing and service sectors saw a decline in output and orders.
However, exports picked up, driven by the weakening of the pound.
The report surveyed more than 650 services companies, from sectors including transport, business services, computing and restaurants."

 

[Bumpy]

Lots of room in Canada for Ex-Pat Brits.
Come on over. We love your accent and chocolate.
But don't dally cause in November lots of Yanks are scheduled to arrive.

Cheers Bumpy
The Great White North

 

[PerryGunn]

Lots of room in Canada for Ex-Pat Brits.
Come on over. We love your accent and chocolate.
But don't dally cause in November lots of Yanks are scheduled to arrive.

 

[sars]

Lots of room in Canada for Ex-Pat Brits.
Come on over. We love your accent and chocolate.
But don't dally cause in November lots of Yanks are scheduled to arrive.

you just know he's going to win, it seems that fate is conspiring against the human race, well more precisely we are just screwing ourselves, from Americans entering another civil war over the colour of your skin to IS driving a truck into a group of tourists.....

.......to hell in a handbasket springs to mind.

As for Brexit, if we can use it to negotiate a better deal with controls on the free movement of citizens then it's a great step, if we can't negotiate a new trade agreement without a better deal on the free movement of citizens then the UK is dead and buried within 10 years and England will be a much poorer place to live.

 

[pvr]

Not sure what this fixation on free movement of people is tbh.

 

[exdos]

Not sure what this fixation on free movement of people is tbh.

It is obvious that the objective of the "elite" in the EU is to create irreversible mass migration and population displacement, so that national borders become irrelevant. Once this occurs, there will be no need for the remaining 27 nations to have national representation in a European parliament and 450 million people will be treated as one population which can be controlled by the "elite". That's the reason why individuals such as the un-elected Jean Claude Junkers want to make "free movement of people" non-negotiable. Those wishing to remain within the EU are sleepwalking into servitude and subjugation.

 

[stuartC]

Not sure what this fixation on free movement of people is tbh.

It is obvious that the objective of the "elite" in the EU is to create irreversible mass migration and population displacement, so that national borders become irrelevant. Once this occurs, there will be no need for the remaining 27 nations to have national representation in a European parliament and 450 million people will be treated as one population which can be controlled by the "elite". That's the reason why individuals such as the un-elected Jean Claude Junkers want to make "free movement of people" non-negotiable. Those wishing to remain within the EU are sleepwalking into servitude and subjugation.

...because being controlled by the elite in Brussels is w-a-y different to being controlled by the elite in Westminster. :roll: