Bonkers prices in Holland

[GuidoK]

ok so there could be an option to reduce it depending on your own intended use.

No not in intended use. It was an example of how 2nd hand prices differ for different cars (but same age and listprice).
What I was saying is that there is an option to pay BPM on basis of the commercial value of the car.
Say for instance you have a 1 year old bmw that has been in a heavy crash. If the car was in good condition it might have been worth (for example) 20k. But the wreckage is obviously much less worth. So there is an option to pay bpm on basis of that value, as it wouldnt be fair to charge 5k bpm (for example) for a wreck that is only worth 500 quid. So there is always the possibility (and that doesnt have to be a wreck, it can be any car) to pay bpm on basis of the commercial value. Generally thats not interesting for sportscars as they have less depreciation, but it can be interesting for normal cars or extremely hard depreciation cars (large french sedan...)


I dont know how much bpm you have to pay for your car. What month was its manufacture and what options do you have?
You have to calculate the list price/actual selling price as it was when new in the Netherlands, and then you can calculate the bpm.
So that includes all factory fitted options.

 

[Chris_D]

Gotcha.
I'll have to look i to this then. Was under a wrong assumption of paying nothing for bpm due to the cars age.
I used the generic autoweek bpm calc. Do you have a better one?

 

[GuidoK]

The autweek bpm calc is fine.
You can adjust the value of the car and adjust the month/date when exactly the car was made.
As for the price of options, the closest thing on pricing on those is a 1-2004 dutch pricelist:
https://audio.home.xs4all.nl/zooi/z4/div/bmwz4_1-2004.pdf
Pretty bad quality as it was once run through a fax machine

 

[Chris_D]

Omg, it just gets worse:
€15,000 asked for a 2003 3.0i se with 122000kms
Same spec, age and mileage as mine at 3 times what i paid in the UK!!
I'm definitely doing this....even with bpm deductions etc. :lol:

 

[Chris_D]

The autweek bpm calc is fine.
You can adjust the value of the car and adjust the month/date when exactly the car was made.
As for the price of options, the closest thing on pricing on those is a 1-2004 dutch pricelist:
https://audio.home.xs4all.nl/zooi/z4/div/bmwz4_1-2004.pdf
Pretty bad quality as it was once run through a fax machine

Thx guido, it's still readable.
Going to make good use of that!

 

[Rassi]

Frexample: £16k for a '06 z4m roadie with 87k miles on the clock? Steep.

http://www.targetcars.eu/cars/bmw-z4m-roadster-z4-m-cabrio-3-2l-343hp-s54-03-06-red-86980mil-rhd.html

Roadster and Coupe prices of the Z4M in Belgium (and suppose Holland) are all above 35.000 € so doesn't look too OTT for a RHD

 

[MACK]

OMG, I know they have alot of canals over there and the sea could pour in at any time! But that boat homage is way too much!

Chris, price wise is it that most cars are way pricier than the UK, or just older verts like the Z4. I'm thinking the real profit opportunity here is for you to pick up some cheap left hookers in the UK and flog them over there. As we all know, lefties over here go cheap and certain older cars spring to mind. Early TT's into the UK were all left drive imports for example and they are worth sod all over here.

Just a thought.

 

[paddy wright]

Looking at his other stock it seems in line price wise for the market. He has 07 2.0 at 15k€.

 

[Anonymous]

OMG, I know they have alot of canals over there and the sea could pour in at any time! But that boat homage is way too much!

Chris, price wise is it that most cars are way pricier than the UK, or just older verts like the Z4. I'm thinking the real profit opportunity here is for you to pick up some cheap left hookers in the UK and flog them over there. As we all know, lefties over here go cheap and certain older cars spring to mind. Early TT's into the UK were all left drive imports for example and they are worth sod all over here.

Just a thought.

I think not, certain companies have made that work by importing lefties and going through the process of UK reg to sell them on to ex pats abroad, for years. Check out LHD centres.

 

[pvr]

Funny enough, it really does not bother me driving a left hand drive in the UK, or my right hand drive in NL. Guess it depends on what you get used to, but I had my Dutch registered car here for years before buying a UK one and it never caused me any issues.

The car was weighed down with parking fines though in London

 

[Chris_D]

OMG, I know they have alot of canals over there and the sea could pour in at any time! But that boat homage is way too much!

Chris, price wise is it that most cars are way pricier than the UK, or just older verts like the Z4. I'm thinking the real profit opportunity here is for you to pick up some cheap left hookers in the UK and flog them over there. As we all know, lefties over here go cheap and certain older cars spring to mind. Early TT's into the UK were all left drive imports for example and they are worth sod all over here.

Just a thought.

haha! well, the sea could theoretically pour in at any time but i like to think all the billions that have been poured in to sea-defences here over the years will keep us safe. Still a pretty raw issue for some here, especially some of my elderly neighbours who remember the floods back in the 50's.

The further I look at and compare prices between zeds in the UK and NL and even Belgium, the more enthusiastic I get about the idea of becoming a small-scale trader. The second one I posted at Eur15k is just bonkers but I'm sure cos of the way it looks that someone will be really tempted. the trader will probably have built in a 1k selling margin, making it even more attractive-looking to a succesful haggler.
Guido's given me a few handy pointers re the BPM tax but I still think there's a healthy profit margin to be had by importing from the UK.
Good idea re the left hookers from the UK - even more sellable here obvioulsy.
Some serious chin-stroking going on in my gaff this morning... :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

None of theses "ideas " are new, people/companies have been at the cross border trade for at least half a century and the loopholes are well and truly attended to by ALL the tax, trade, import regulations including some most people have never heard of.
Even though the EU is supposedly about harmonising trade and taxes/duties, each country was allowed to keep certain specific parts of trade deals that already existed in their own country.
But I do like the idea that there might be something out there as yet undiscovered.

 

[Hilly30si]

After seeing that interior I want to puke

 

[NickDE]

I moved from USA to Holland. And boy did the change in car prices hurt. I sold three cars in USA and the proceeds wouldn't even buy me one on Holland

Importing my NL registered E46 into the UK was very easy. No taxes to pay, some paperwork, about 150 in costs.

 

[GuidoK]

Importing my NL registered E46 into the UK was very easy. No taxes to pay, some paperwork, about 150 in costs.

If you export a car from the netherlands, you can in theory get the BPM tax that still rests on the car back from the government.
That makes it for example very interesting to export young expensive cars with damage from the Netherlands.
But it depends on the age of the car.

 

[NickDE]

Importing my NL registered E46 into the UK was very easy. No taxes to pay, some paperwork, about 150 in costs.

If you export a car from the netherlands, you can in theory get the BPM tax that still rests on the car back from the government.
That makes it for example very interesting to export young expensive cars with damage from the Netherlands.
But it depends on the age of the car.

I will leave that as a theoretical option. I didn't inform the government when I exported, just told them 2 months afterwards. Because that way I could avoid an appointment to de-register it (along with fees) and the need for export plates (with more fees).