Attack on cyclist

[jimbo1958]

Sad news of a 30 year old female cyclist dying in an accident in North London today.
Eye witness reports that both cyclist and lorry were were turning left at 4-5 mph and the cyclist was dragged under the lorry.
Highlights again the danger of cyclists moving up the insides of vehicles especially at junctions.


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[ronk]

Road safety always seems to be directed to the driver these days.

Unfortunately we all have a role to play, pedestrian, cyclist and motorists of all sorts.

Do the still gave cycling proficiency tests these days?

 

[Jasey]

Road safety always seems to be directed to the driver these days.

Unfortunately we all have a role to play, pedestrian, cyclist and motorists of all sorts.

Do the still gave cycling proficiency tests these days?

Given the standards I witness of cyclists I can only assume the cycling proficiency is a thing of ancient history

 

[pvr]

How can cyclists expect truck drivers to see them when they go all around trucks? Why they take those risks is beyond me.

 

[techathy]

Sad news of a 30 year old female cyclist dying in an accident in North London today.
Eye witness reports that both cyclist and lorry were were turning left at 4-5 mph and the cyclist was dragged under the lorry.
Highlights again the danger of cyclists moving up the insides of vehicles especially at junctions.


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Last time I looked at the stats for this there were more KSI on confirmed HGV overtaking pulling along side the cyclist then turning left than confirmed cases of the cyclist undertaking. But well over 50% of KSIs were unknown as to who initiated the overlap before the left turn. Local authorities are encouraging this behaviour in cyclist with the proliferation of feeder lanes & ASL.

Of course as a cyclist if you take the middle of the lane so that you can't be left hooked you're likely to have Mr. angry using his car at a weapon for stopping him get 2m further down the road :headbang:

 

[gannet]

very sad news

Of course as a cyclist if you take the middle of the lane so that you can't be left hooked you're likely to have Mr. angry using his car at a weapon for stopping him get 2m further down the road :headbang:

sod mr Angry, tis where I live the middle of the lane - where appropriate of course. Actually I don't detect such anger is these situations - and yes cycle daily between Croydon and Chiswick - not central London but busy enough.

 

[Carol M]

As a driver you never expect someone else using the road to be coming round from behind you on your nearside so you wouldn't be looking for it when you are next to the curb. Stupid cyclist but that van-man needs an anger management course or a swift smack upside the head.

 

[techathy]

London is one of the best places to cycle for understanding/tolerance of proper road positioning for cyclists. North of London towards Cambridge/Bedford it starts to get quite bad for abuse. In the last 6 years I've had 4 rear wheels broken by drivers deliberately driving into to the back of me while leaning on the horn.

 

[Angie4m]

I did wonder. It's the same the world over! I get abuse as a pedestrian crossing with the green man because I'm in the wrong for almost being hit by a cyclist. I like to film them, they don't like it.......well don't do it.

Girl at work had a fine, I thought she had been given yet another fine for jumping a red light on her bike, but no it was a bus lane fine which she was fuming about but she actually had the cheek to say that jumping red lights is all part of the fun and she didn't mind the fine! Sorry? See the financial penalty is doing its job, not! And she's always complaining she's skint! She was once late for a meeting cause she jumped a red light right in front of a police car and actually argued why she was right to do so. Idiot.

Can cyclists not get points on their driving license for jumping red lights?
Years ago when I worked for Pony Express one of the push bike couriers got done for going through a red light and was issued a fixed penalty fine and asked to produce his driving license at St Andrews Street (where you went to pay fines years ago in Glasgow) He didnt have a driving license at all and could not hand it over to collect his points. Not sure what the outcome was.

The girl at my work would be banned well and truly if that was the case! No I don't believe they are given points, she never has been given any.

Plus the police aren't interested in it that much. Only if they are bored have I seen them pull someone but just give them a don't do that again and off they go and the next day the same person does the same thing. No lesson learnt and we all have to watch out for them.

 

[techathy]

Road safety always seems to be directed to the driver these days.

Unfortunately we all have a role to play, pedestrian, cyclist and motorists of all sorts.

Do the still gave cycling proficiency tests these days?

Mainly because everywhere money has been poured into cycling & pedestrian road safety awareness it's has almost 0 impact on incident rates where as when money is poured into private driver education levies a positive impact on all types of road incidents.

Most people driving are busy trying to think about anything but think about what's actually happening on the road environment around them & the consequences of their actions. But the fact we need to wake up to is that the typical private motorist is the most dangerous person on the road. Rudimentary training in charge of what is potentially a lethal weapon which can kill someone at walking pace with ease & lack of general awareness, a great combination.

 

[pvr]

Don't forget that the actions of some cyclists can be really, really annoying. When dropping my daughter off at the station each morning I could easily hit a cyclist each day.

They insist on trying to get on my inside even though I deliberately get as close to the kerb as I can as I have to turn into the station approach. It is always chaos around the station so common sense is that as a cyclist you would not try to go between turning cars and so but they do that all the time, with the associated shouting etc as the car drivers can not see them.

Unless those cyclists change their behaviour it is not going to get any safer for anyone.

 

[original guvnor]

Cyclists and motorists do not mix. Just like pedestrians and motorists don't, which is why we have footpaths with kerbs, barriers etc. to separate them as far as possible. Until we create a proper network of protected cycle lanes I'm afraid these incidents will reoccur time and time again.

 

[gannet]

Cyclists and motorists do not mix. Just like pedestrians and motorists don't, which is why we have footpaths with kerbs, barriers etc. to separate them as far as possible. Until we create a proper network of protected cycle lanes I'm afraid these incidents will reoccur time and time again.

But we have different levels and abilities of cyclists - I for one refrain from using cycling lanes as I'm much closer to the surrounding speed of the motorists than many other cyclists are... Cruising speed in excess of 20mph does not translate well on to a segregated cycle lane which is all too often shared with pedestrians and lets not forget all cycle lanes that are on the road go down the left of the traffic - and disappear around junctions where they are needed most!

Education of both cyclists and drivers is what is required, principally the needs of all road users and how various actions affect the other Doubt it'll happen though - how many drivers for example see the need for further training over and above the L test??

 

[BRC]

Road safety always seems to be directed to the driver these days.

Unfortunately we all have a role to play, pedestrian, cyclist and motorists of all sorts.

Do the still gave cycling proficiency tests these days?

You've just demonstrated why so many non motorists get involved in serious accidents. I get frustrated seeing how motorists are constantly "educated" but when's the last time you saw a road safety advert directed towards pedestrians or indeed cyclists.
We used to live on the London to Brighton cycle route and the cyclists regard for safety was simply non existent and under any other circumstances would be considered reckless. Problem is I see complete and utter twats each and every day literally begging to be run over. BTW I'm a cyclist and consider so many others I see extremely lucky to be alive!

 

[techathy]

Unless those cyclists change their behaviour it is not going to get any safer for anyone.

When harsh penalties are put on motorists and prosecution rates are high then collision rate in all groups (vehicle motor vehicle to inanimate object, pedestrian, cyclist & motor-vehicle) drop noticeably. Conversely when harsh penalties are applied to cyclists while prosecution rates are high recorded collision rates stay at the same level.

Please note the strongly highlighted words & contemplate that for a second.

 

[pvr]

Not sure I follow that one, you saying with that that only when motorists are punished the collision rates go down but not if cyclists are punished?

I have no idea what the prosecution rates are like for cyclists (would have thought tiny as I have never seen one stopped), but I get the feeling because cyclists are anonymous, their behaviour will not change any time soon.

Unfortunately, at busy places such as stations, you may have 100 cyclists in total of which 10 misbehave, it just gives you the impression that "they" are all over the place even though they might be a small percentage.

 

[gannet]

(would have thought tiny as I have never seen one stopped)

I have - only for cycling on the pavement though...

 

[original guvnor]

Cyclists and motorists do not mix. Just like pedestrians and motorists don't, which is why we have footpaths with kerbs, barriers etc. to separate them as far as possible. Until we create a proper network of protected cycle lanes I'm afraid these incidents will reoccur time and time again.

But we have different levels and abilities of cyclists - I for one refrain from using cycling lanes as I'm much closer to the surrounding speed of the motorists than many other cyclists are... Cruising speed in excess of 20mph does not translate well on to a segregated cycle lane which is all too often shared with pedestrians and lets not forget all cycle lanes that are on the road go down the left of the traffic - and disappear around junctions where they are needed most!

Education of both cyclists and drivers is what is required, principally the needs of all road users and how various actions affect the other Doubt it'll happen though - how many drivers for example see the need for further training over and above the L test??

That's not an argument against protected cycle lanes it's an argument they aren't designed properly. The inescapable fact is that a cyclist generally will average between 10-20mph regardless of road type and speed limit whereas a 1.5 tonne car or much heavier lorry are capable of much higher speeds. The two don't belong on the same road. Cyclists need better protection and segregation (from pedestrians too). I'd like to see the law changed so that every new road scheme or amendment to an existing layout has to include protected cycle lanes in urban areas.

 

[gannet]

Cyclists and motorists do not mix. Just like pedestrians and motorists don't, which is why we have footpaths with kerbs, barriers etc. to separate them as far as possible. Until we create a proper network of protected cycle lanes I'm afraid these incidents will reoccur time and time again.

But we have different levels and abilities of cyclists - I for one refrain from using cycling lanes as I'm much closer to the surrounding speed of the motorists than many other cyclists are... Cruising speed in excess of 20mph does not translate well on to a segregated cycle lane which is all too often shared with pedestrians and lets not forget all cycle lanes that are on the road go down the left of the traffic - and disappear around junctions where they are needed most!

Education of both cyclists and drivers is what is required, principally the needs of all road users and how various actions affect the other Doubt it'll happen though - how many drivers for example see the need for further training over and above the L test??

That's not an argument against protected cycle lanes it's an argument they aren't designed properly. The inescapable fact is that a cyclist generally will average between 10-20mph regardless of road type and speed limit whereas a 1.5 tonne car or much heavier lorry are capable of much higher speeds. The two don't belong on the same road. Cyclists need better protection and segregation (from pedestrians too). I'd like to see the law changed so that every new road scheme or amendment to an existing layout has to include protected cycle lanes in urban areas.

I do take your point, though where does one draw the line - Renault's Twizy can't go as quickly and is much smaller than most other vehicles?

They are currently redesigning the road layout in my town (Redhill) to apparently include segregated cycle lanes - but as far as I can tell their definition of segregated extends only to segregated from motorised vehicles and dumping the cyclists on the pavement having to avoid pedestrians who also don't respect the cycle lanes...

 

[Nictrix]

Cyclists and motorists do not mix. Just like pedestrians and motorists don't, which is why we have footpaths with kerbs, barriers etc. to separate them as far as possible. Until we create a proper network of protected cycle lanes I'm afraid these incidents will reoccur time and time again.

But we have different levels and abilities of cyclists - I for one refrain from using cycling lanes as I'm much closer to the surrounding speed of the motorists than many other cyclists are... Cruising speed in excess of 20mph does not translate well on to a segregated cycle lane which is all too often shared with pedestrians and lets not forget all cycle lanes that are on the road go down the left of the traffic - and disappear around junctions where they are needed most!

Education of both cyclists and drivers is what is required, principally the needs of all road users and how various actions affect the other Doubt it'll happen though - how many drivers for example see the need for further training over and above the L test??

I really dont understand your point about you not using a dedicated cycle lane because you go too fast to belong there.
By using the road you are only going at 2/3 of the speed of everybody else so you are creating a problem and are a danger to yourself.
In and around Glasgow dedicated cycle lanes have popped up and are a waste of time and money.
A lot of these lanes are seperated by a kerb from the main traffic and some even have their own traffic lights.... completely useless as cyclists dont stop at them.
Part of the A77 which used to be a dual carriageway has been reduced to 1 lane and a dedicated cycle lane has been built instead with kerbs etc.
I dont use this road regularly but when I have been on it you see the odd cyclist here and there, its a waste of money and using good road space.
Whats needed instead is education for other road users whether it is cyclists or pedestrians that the road is a dangerous place to be and they should stay off it.