As much as we love a Z4M...

Over seven years, the rough costs work out at:

  • Maintenance: £5,250
  • Tax: £5,565
  • Insurance: £2,800
  • Fuel: £5,193
  • Total running costs: £18,808
I paid £14,500 for the car, so in very simple terms I’ve had around £33k tied up in buying and running it over those seven years.

Interesting post and when I'm doing my 'man maths' and in my personal circumstance, I compare it to leasing. I've had Tesla's and Range Rover Sports* for the last 8 years as the daily (well, the wife's daily) and they're circa £1k pm to lease then with fuel and insurance on top.

So in that scenario the maths is very different - £84k for lease alone (7 years) with no value at the end + everything in your list minus maintenance and RFL. On that basis a Tesla over seven years is closer to £100k. Even if you went for a £750 pm lease car, that still isn't that interesting (to me, at least), then cars like the Z4M are incredible value.

At least you get circa £20-£30k back with all the value you've had out of if in the meantime. Whereas I've been bored to tears with tax efficient dullards.

Or this is just is just my man maths giving me the answer that suits :)

*They're company cars, so I pick low tax-bearing options. The Range Rover's a hybrid, hence the lower bracket. It's my company either way, so it's just tax efficiency. A performance car through the company would cost a fortune in tax that I'm just not prepared to pay - there's nothing out there that really excites me anyway. And I wanted a non EV for my weekend car - hence the cheap Z4.
 
Agree that Z4Ms are not currently on the trajectory to future classic, but is that not because saloons & coupes are more in fashion than roadsters? Trends and fashions change (often in a cycle) and there's every chance that in future a Z4M will be worth as much as, or more than, an E46 M3.

People often want what's rare, and roadsters (of all varieties) will soon be the rarest cars on the road (or in the garage if you prefer to "collect" than drive).

Good luck predicting the future. Pondy's point is a good one though, classics from last century were not stored and preserved (nor as easy to preserve) as 21st century cars, and because of the boom in modern classic prices of the last decade there have been a lot of people trying to guess the next classic and storing stuff away, which will obviously keep prices depressed for longer. Therefore, if you want Z4Ms to increase in value, drive or scrap yours.

Also agree that a car like a Z4M is insanely good value for money compared with most new cars, but second hand always is, isn't it?
 
Interesting post and when I'm doing my 'man maths' and in my personal circumstance, I compare it to leasing. I've had Tesla's and Range Rover Sports* for the last 8 years as the daily (well, the wife's daily) and they're circa £1k pm to lease then with fuel and insurance on top.

So in that scenario the maths is very different - £84k for lease alone (7 years) with no value at the end + everything in your list minus maintenance and RFL. On that basis a Tesla over seven years is closer to £100k. Even if you went for a £750 pm lease car, that still isn't that interesting (to me, at least), then cars like the Z4M are incredible value.

At least you get circa £20-£30k back with all the value you've had out of if in the meantime. Whereas I've been bored to tears with tax efficient dullards.

Or this is just is just my man maths giving me the answer that suits :)

*They're company cars, so I pick low tax-bearing options. The Range Rover's a hybrid, hence the lower bracket. It's my company either way, so it's just tax efficiency. A performance car through the company would cost a fortune in tax that I'm just not prepared to pay - there's nothing out there that really excites me anyway. And I wanted a non EV for my weekend car - hence the cheap Z4.


Yeah, it all depends on what you actually need from the car.

I also have my own business and lease a seven seat Tesla Model Y because, for the job it does, it costs me pennies to run. I won’t go into all the details, but my priorities for a daily are completely different to what I want from something like the Z4M.

I do around 15,000 to 16,000 miles a year, and the cost of fuelling, insuring, taxing and maintaining a seven seater from Audi, Land Rover or similar would be astronomical. I worked it out at around £1,500 a month all in. The Tesla cost me about £400 in electricity last year at home and on the road. If it was just at home at the current 3p per KWH and 4 miles pkwh it would have been like £120 so it is just a completely different proposition. Compared to the £2.5-3k a petrol car was costing me.

The lease also means you dont need to worry about the depreciation which is the killer with EVs.

For a car I do that many miles in, I don’t need every journey to feel like an occasion. Most long trips are just monotonous motorway miles anyway. What I value in a daily is something quiet, comfortable and cheap to run, and EVs are very hard to beat for that.

That being said, doing that sort of mileage in a Z4M, or really most of the Z4 range, would be a tough ask for me.

If anything, having the EV makes the Z feel even more special. Getting into it becomes a properly visceral experience, and I genuinely cherish the time I spend in it. In this age, I feel lucky to own something like that because they simply don’t make cars with that kind of character anymore.

As Tiglon mentioned, two seaters are basically dead in the water now. If you want a proper roadster, your choices are pretty limited. You’ve got things like the Boxster, MX 5 and, if you want to count an EV, the Cyberster.

Everything has moved towards SUVs, and a lot of the traditional body styles have fallen out of fashion. Saloons, estates and coupes have all been squeezed while SUVs have more or less replaced everything.

Estates have made a bit of a comeback, but even then they are still pretty niche at the top end. Who realistically has £100k plus to spend on an M3 or M5 Touring? As much as I would love one, if you think the Z is expensive to run, trying to lease one of those and do 10,000 to 15,000 miles a year must be eye watering.

And if you are leasing something like that but are too scared to use it properly because of the mileage, wear or cost, then what is the point of having it in the first place?

Part of the issue a lot of traditional body styles have fallen off is because the platform is not suitable for hybrid or EV, the SUV is because they sit high and you can put the battery down low.

I hope to see a revival in other model but people vote with their wallets and from what I can see people are buying 35k Chinese EVs because people cant afford 70-80k cars. The whole thing has gone a bit bonkers.

The 33k over 7 years actually looks fantastic value in comparison.
 
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Don't want to go off topic (obviously I will anyway), but I looked at leasing an EV earlier this year and there are some ridiculous deals out there even just as a personal deal and not through a business. In the end my specific requirements meant that buying a 2nd hand EV was better financially and gave me a car that suited me better, but if a Tesla M3 is what you need/want then £250ish per month for 10k miles is the bargain of the century.

Something like that for sensible stuff at a cost of peanuts and a Z4M in the garage for the fun days out is a very good way of doing things.
 
Ye absolutely! Second hand EVs are great value. Just got to make sure you buy one of the better ones. Although Tesla has stigma the batteries are excelent and the longevity is really impressive.

Couldnt agree more 🫠

Although I would like a fast estate to take the family away for the weekends... A V10 M5 would be a ridiculous but also incredible experience. Heart says yes, head says no 🫠 either way the Z4M isnt worth selling worth more to me than trading or selling.
 
Ye absolutely! Second hand EVs are great value. Just got to make sure you buy one of the better ones. Although Tesla has stigma the batteries are excelent and the longevity is really impressive.

Couldnt agree more 🫠

Although I would like a fast estate to take the family away for the weekends... A V10 M5 would be a ridiculous but also incredible experience. Heart says yes, head says no 🫠 either way the Z4M isnt worth selling worth more to me than trading or selling.
That's how I ended up with a 500bhp A6 avant for family trips, and a Mini Cooper SE for the long-but-fun commute every day.
 
The 33k over 7 years actually looks fantastic value in comparison.

So my man maths checks out... by another bloke! :)

Yep, I was the same with my EVs - they do nothing for me but make the VX and Z4 that more exciting as contrast. Getting out of the Range Rover into the VX, back to back, is fun.

Can't beat the EVs for tax or speed - just no excitement. I've had a go in the Cyberster - it's nice but dull. And not quick enough really compared to Tesla 3 Performance (which was bloody quick to be fair).
 
Getting into it becomes a properly visceral experience, and I genuinely cherish the time I spend in it. In this age, I feel lucky to own something like that because they simply don’t make cars with that kind of character anymore.
That's exactly how I feel about mine. :D

The only difference is my daily is an E90 BMW 330i because being retired I seem to be doing more miles in the Z so an EV would be a waste of money for me. I think you're right about prices too. I can't see them getting any lower, although it wouldn't bother me if they did, I just enjoy it for what it is!
 
I realise it's all horsesfor courses, but my old 320d touring is absolute peanuts to run. Granted not a new car (12 plate) but i bought it for 5k, tax is 180 a year, insurance 165, servicing about 180 from memory, and the only bits I've had to do are tyres and a battery cable in the 3 years and 25k I've done in it. Returns 56mpg on the commute to Frimley and works as the dog car alongside the wife's disco all year round. If it lasts another 2 years (I don't see why it wouldn't) it'll work out at less than 2grand a year all in if I throw it away.

Still isn't reducing my temptation for a b8 RS4 as a daily instead though 😂😂😂
 
Even if you went for a £750 pm lease car,
Never paid much more than half that for a leased car. Current Audi A4 avant (40 tfsi black edition) is £323.00 per month including VAT.
Had a 2019 Skoda Octavia (for the wife); it was £125.00 inclusive.
Had a 2019 Volvo V90 D4 which was £349.00 inclusive
Best one was a 2016 Hyundai i30 diesel (for the wife). Cost £99.00 a month for 24 months inclusive. Did over 60mpg and didn't even need a service in the two years. Now that was cheap motoring.

All were on 10k miles a year (or more) with minimum initial payment to make them cheapest overall (most were 3x whatever).

I always sought out the best deals at the time without being fussy about spec (they were all base spec with no options), colour or model. I did miss out on the Golf R bargains in around 2016. They were leasing them out for pennies.
 
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The RS4 or the RS6 would be the sensible choice over the m5 V10 🤣

Ye that's it I need the 7 seats which is what causes the head ache. All the SUVs are big engine thirsty diesels cost loads to tax fuel insure and EVs just suit the platform. I would have bought an EV9 just couldn't get a good deal on one.
 
Never paid much more than half that for a leased car. Current Audi A4 avant (40 tfsi black edition) is £323.00 per month including VAT.
Had a 2019 Skoda Octavia (for the wife); it was £125.00 inclusive.
Had a 2019 Volvo V90 D4 which was £349.00 inclusive
Best one was a 2016 Hyundai i30 diesel (for the wife). Cost £99.00 a month for 24 months inclusive. Did over 60mpg and didn't even need a service in the two years. Now that was cheap motoring.

All were on 10k miles a year (or more) with minimum initial payment to make them cheapest overall (most were 3x whatever).

I always sought out the best deals at the time without being fussy about spec (they were all base spec with no options), colour or model. I did miss out on the Golf R bargains in around 2016. They were leasing them out for pennies.
I'll raise ya on those (despite over-paying massively in recent years!) - I had a 640d Gran Coupe - fantastic car (still going at 180k with barely anything wrong on MOT after 15+ years) for £389pm. List price was £88k - they couldn't move 'em so I emailed whatever the BMW Lease Specials company was at the time and made them an offer and they took it. Since then, I've screwed up massively and took many wrong (well, over-priced) options.
 
The RS4 or the RS6 would be the sensible choice over the m5 V10 🤣

Ye that's it I need the 7 seats which is what causes the head ache. All the SUVs are big engine thirsty diesels cost loads to tax fuel insure and EVs just suit the platform. I would have bought an EV9 just couldn't get a good deal on one.
Hark at Tom the enabler in this thread 😂😂 rs4 the sensible choice indeed! 😂😂

I'm seriously tempted, they seem pretty robust and not horrendous on servicing, plenty seem to make it well over 100k without too much fuss... I don't do many miles except the big trip once a month ish to Frimley.... It's sodding tempting!
 
I'm seriously tempted, they seem pretty robust and not horrendous on servicing, plenty seem to make it well over 100k without too much fuss... I don't do many miles except the big trip once a month ish to Frimley.... It's sodding tempting!
Unlike the RS6 where fixing anything (and a lot goes wrong) seems to be engine out! They're cheap for a reason. Generally like the look but not the way Audi's drive. RS4 is prob the exception - they sound great. Think I read that getting parts is a nightmare tho'. Mind, there are a number of parts for ours that aren't available anymore so it seems.
 
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