As much as we love a Z4M...

Over seven years, the rough costs work out at:

  • Maintenance: £5,250
  • Tax: £5,565
  • Insurance: £2,800
  • Fuel: £5,193
  • Total running costs: £18,808
I paid £14,500 for the car, so in very simple terms I’ve had around £33k tied up in buying and running it over those seven years.

Interesting post and when I'm doing my 'man maths' and in my personal circumstance, I compare it to leasing. I've had Tesla's and Range Rover Sports* for the last 8 years as the daily (well, the wife's daily) and they're circa £1k pm to lease then with fuel and insurance on top.

So in that scenario the maths is very different - £84k for lease alone (7 years) with no value at the end + everything in your list minus maintenance and RFL. On that basis a Tesla over seven years is closer to £100k. Even if you went for a £750 pm lease car, that still isn't that interesting (to me, at least), then cars like the Z4M are incredible value.

At least you get circa £20-£30k back with all the value you've had out of if in the meantime. Whereas I've been bored to tears with tax efficient dullards.

Or this is just is just my man maths giving me the answer that suits :)

*They're company cars, so I pick low tax-bearing options. The Range Rover's a hybrid, hence the lower bracket. It's my company either way, so it's just tax efficiency. A performance car through the company would cost a fortune in tax that I'm just not prepared to pay - there's nothing out there that really excites me anyway. And I wanted a non EV for my weekend car - hence the cheap Z4.
 
Agree that Z4Ms are not currently on the trajectory to future classic, but is that not because saloons & coupes are more in fashion than roadsters? Trends and fashions change (often in a cycle) and there's every chance that in future a Z4M will be worth as much as, or more than, an E46 M3.

People often want what's rare, and roadsters (of all varieties) will soon be the rarest cars on the road (or in the garage if you prefer to "collect" than drive).

Good luck predicting the future. Pondy's point is a good one though, classics from last century were not stored and preserved (nor as easy to preserve) as 21st century cars, and because of the boom in modern classic prices of the last decade there have been a lot of people trying to guess the next classic and storing stuff away, which will obviously keep prices depressed for longer. Therefore, if you want Z4Ms to increase in value, drive or scrap yours.

Also agree that a car like a Z4M is insanely good value for money compared with most new cars, but second hand always is, isn't it?
 
Interesting post and when I'm doing my 'man maths' and in my personal circumstance, I compare it to leasing. I've had Tesla's and Range Rover Sports* for the last 8 years as the daily (well, the wife's daily) and they're circa £1k pm to lease then with fuel and insurance on top.

So in that scenario the maths is very different - £84k for lease alone (7 years) with no value at the end + everything in your list minus maintenance and RFL. On that basis a Tesla over seven years is closer to £100k. Even if you went for a £750 pm lease car, that still isn't that interesting (to me, at least), then cars like the Z4M are incredible value.

At least you get circa £20-£30k back with all the value you've had out of if in the meantime. Whereas I've been bored to tears with tax efficient dullards.

Or this is just is just my man maths giving me the answer that suits :)

*They're company cars, so I pick low tax-bearing options. The Range Rover's a hybrid, hence the lower bracket. It's my company either way, so it's just tax efficiency. A performance car through the company would cost a fortune in tax that I'm just not prepared to pay - there's nothing out there that really excites me anyway. And I wanted a non EV for my weekend car - hence the cheap Z4.


Yeah, it all depends on what you actually need from the car.

I also have my own business and lease a seven seat Tesla Model Y because, for the job it does, it costs me pennies to run. I won’t go into all the details, but my priorities for a daily are completely different to what I want from something like the Z4M.

I do around 15,000 to 16,000 miles a year, and the cost of fuelling, insuring, taxing and maintaining a seven seater from Audi, Land Rover or similar would be astronomical. I worked it out at around £1,500 a month all in. The Tesla cost me about £400 in electricity last year at home and on the road. If it was just at home at the current 3p per KWH and 4 miles pkwh it would have been like £120 so it is just a completely different proposition. Compared to the £2.5-3k a petrol car was costing me.

The lease also means you dont need to worry about the depreciation which is the killer with EVs.

For a car I do that many miles in, I don’t need every journey to feel like an occasion. Most long trips are just monotonous motorway miles anyway. What I value in a daily is something quiet, comfortable and cheap to run, and EVs are very hard to beat for that.

That being said, doing that sort of mileage in a Z4M, or really most of the Z4 range, would be a tough ask for me.

If anything, having the EV makes the Z feel even more special. Getting into it becomes a properly visceral experience, and I genuinely cherish the time I spend in it. In this age, I feel lucky to own something like that because they simply don’t make cars with that kind of character anymore.

As Tiglon mentioned, two seaters are basically dead in the water now. If you want a proper roadster, your choices are pretty limited. You’ve got things like the Boxster, MX 5 and, if you want to count an EV, the Cyberster.

Everything has moved towards SUVs, and a lot of the traditional body styles have fallen out of fashion. Saloons, estates and coupes have all been squeezed while SUVs have more or less replaced everything.

Estates have made a bit of a comeback, but even then they are still pretty niche at the top end. Who realistically has £100k plus to spend on an M3 or M5 Touring? As much as I would love one, if you think the Z is expensive to run, trying to lease one of those and do 10,000 to 15,000 miles a year must be eye watering.

And if you are leasing something like that but are too scared to use it properly because of the mileage, wear or cost, then what is the point of having it in the first place?

Part of the issue a lot of traditional body styles have fallen off is because the platform is not suitable for hybrid or EV, the SUV is because they sit high and you can put the battery down low.

I hope to see a revival in other model but people vote with their wallets and from what I can see people are buying 35k Chinese EVs because people cant afford 70-80k cars. The whole thing has gone a bit bonkers.

The 33k over 7 years actually looks fantastic value in comparison.
 
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Don't want to go off topic (obviously I will anyway), but I looked at leasing an EV earlier this year and there are some ridiculous deals out there even just as a personal deal and not through a business. In the end my specific requirements meant that buying a 2nd hand EV was better financially and gave me a car that suited me better, but if a Tesla M3 is what you need/want then £250ish per month for 10k miles is the bargain of the century.

Something like that for sensible stuff at a cost of peanuts and a Z4M in the garage for the fun days out is a very good way of doing things.
 
Ye absolutely! Second hand EVs are great value. Just got to make sure you buy one of the better ones. Although Tesla has stigma the batteries are excelent and the longevity is really impressive.

Couldnt agree more 🫠

Although I would like a fast estate to take the family away for the weekends... A V10 M5 would be a ridiculous but also incredible experience. Heart says yes, head says no 🫠 either way the Z4M isnt worth selling worth more to me than trading or selling.
 
Ye absolutely! Second hand EVs are great value. Just got to make sure you buy one of the better ones. Although Tesla has stigma the batteries are excelent and the longevity is really impressive.

Couldnt agree more 🫠

Although I would like a fast estate to take the family away for the weekends... A V10 M5 would be a ridiculous but also incredible experience. Heart says yes, head says no 🫠 either way the Z4M isnt worth selling worth more to me than trading or selling.
That's how I ended up with a 500bhp A6 avant for family trips, and a Mini Cooper SE for the long-but-fun commute every day.
 
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