Arrests in UK for not wearing a mask

Won't it be great when all the lockdowns and working from home end and people are no longer holed up in their houses with nothing better to do than theorise and bash away at their keyboards?
When they can get out into the fresh air of the real world, meet real people and finally realise the world is not out to get them.

In the meantime, I'm setting up a tinfoil export business to the the US: sounds like they need all they can get. :rofl:
 
Argyll Andy said:
enuff_zed said:
Argyll Andy said:
Autocorrect change that last word for you there Enuff....................

Didn't want to simply assume everyone else had the same pastime as me :roll:

For you a pastime, for others a description :wink:

With apologies to any genuine merchant bankers out there :rofl:
 
I love how we have all become so devoted to our dear government and leader that we no longer need to question draconian rules and laws that have been passed without proper parliamentary scrutiny. Main stream journalism no longer exists as far as I am concerned, and as soon as you raise any doubts or suspicions then you are labelled a conspiracy theorist nut job, which is now a term that no longer has the same meaning, as it used too often to avoid discussion and open conversation (just like N@z1 is pelted around anyone who voted Trump).

Using masks in public was and never has been an option or consideration in all the previous papers and pandemic emergency documents written before this pandemic. I remember Boris and his chief medical officer sat down in Downing Street back in March/April last year and said that face coverings have no measurable effect in reducing the spread of the virus, and should only be used by trained medical staff, and now we are being told that we should be wearing two masks. I don't know what is right either way, but when you see blatant contradictions and hypocrisy, and it directly affects our lives, then it needs calling out.

The vaccine is an unbelievable achievement, and will doubtless save many lives. But it has been developed using a method (mRNA) that many scientists (pre-covid) had serious doubts about, with worrying high levels of deaths and damaging side effects in the animal test subjects. Yet 6 months later a vaccine was developed and any questioning of the methodology has been ignored. When a government or corporation is making decisions on my behalf the sensible question is, who benefits? When you follow the money you find the true reasoning behind most of these decisions. The Elite do not want this to end, since the start of the pandemic 200 new billionaires have been created in China, Jeff Bezos earnt so much money from March to September last year he could afford to pay (but didn't) all of his 850,000 staff $105,000 each and not be any worse off than before the pandemic. Bill Gates wants to vaccinate the world, why?? If you are under 60 with no underlying health conditions why the need to be vaccinated?? The odds of you dying from the virus are lower than the odds of you dying from the vaccine, and the vaccine does not stop you spreading the virus so again why. They are now trialling the vaccine on our kids?? Makes no sense. It's these illogical decisions that continue to breed more and more suspicion in a lot of people.
 
I long for the days when we had short interesting posts about Z4s and cars in general.

A tip for all the long ranters........................ most people die of boredom before they get to the second paragraph. :poke:
 
So shall I tell my wife who has terminal cancer and has been shielding for a year that it was all for nothing cos the virus is not a real thing?

f**k off!
 
Give 'em a break, it took them 2 years to realise that WW2 had started.
I seem to remember that time it was something unpleasant from the Far East that woke them up too. :D
 
ihadablackdog said:
So shall I tell my wife who has terminal cancer and has been shielding for a year that it was all for nothing cos the virus is not a real thing?

f**k off!
Totally agree and I sympathise. The people who want to believe (I honestly can't see for the life of me why) that this is exaggerated or, worse, a falsehood should maybe think of others just for once in their self-absorbed, self-righteous, selfish lives.
There are thousands (probably many more) of people who have been denied any contact with their families and friends for almost a year because of the selfish actions of others.
The saddest part is that we as a race seem to refuse to learn anything. :|
 
Pondrew said:
ihadablackdog said:
So shall I tell my wife who has terminal cancer and has been shielding for a year that it was all for nothing cos the virus is not a real thing?

f**k off!
Totally agree and I sympathise. The people who want to believe (I honestly can't see for the life of me why) that this is exaggerated or, worse, a falsehood should maybe think of others just for once in their self-absorbed, self-righteous, selfish lives.
There are thousands (probably many more) of people who have been denied any contact with their families and friends for almost a year because of the selfish actions of others.
The saddest part is that we as a race seem to refuse to learn anything. :|

The only consolation is that that anybody (the OP) who says "I believe that the ultimate goal of this experimental vaccine is a depopulation scheme" is probably suffering from a paranoid, delusional psychosis so isn't rational. The shame is that they are permitted to spew their crap on the web, I just want to know how they type in a straight jacket? :?
 
Ewazix said:
The shame is that they are permitted to spew their crap on the web, I just want to know how they type in a straight jacket? :?

Probably the greater problem is that there are those willing to listen to such garbage. QAnon believer by the sound of what he writes.
 
rdgreen said:
Ewazix said:
The shame is that they are permitted to spew their crap on the web, I just want to know how they type in a straight jacket? :?

Probably the greater problem is that there are those willing to listen to such garbage. QAnon believer by the sound of what he writes.

True.... anyway, how are things in wonderful Oz'? it was on my places to visit until this mess came along and I've delayed retirement.
It's -1 deg C and still in miserable lockdown here in the UK. The Zed is garaged on a charger but itching to go 8)
 
Ewazix said:
rdgreen said:
Ewazix said:
The shame is that they are permitted to spew their crap on the web, I just want to know how they type in a straight jacket? :?

Probably the greater problem is that there are those willing to listen to such garbage. QAnon believer by the sound of what he writes.

True.... anyway, how are things in wonderful Oz'? it was on my places to visit until this mess came along and I've delayed retirement.
It's -1 deg C and still in miserable lockdown here in the UK. The Zed is garaged on a charger but itching to go 8)

I remember that weather well...... :( Hate tomake you envious but today it's going to be a mild 25C after a remarkably mild summer. We have just returned from walking the dog on the beach...no heat waves, no major fires and only a couple of days over 42C.
The response to Covid varied between states at first and Victoria was the major casualty bearing the brunt of the epidemic because of major leadership issues (ironically he's managed to position himself as the savior of the country, despite the failures, and having three major lockdowns in his state in the last 9 months). While many of us believe that some of the processes used went overboard (borders closed with little warning leaving thousands stranded QR codes at every business) the fact that no one has died from Covid since last October speaks volumes and the only community spread has come from lax security at the quarantine hotels.
When this mess is eventually cleared up, get down here, as airfares are probably going to be cheap to get people flying again.....just remember to get vaccinated first. :D
 
Old-Duckman said:
I have seen others where the police from the UK and Australia were brutally handling people not wearing a mask. To be honest I have seen similar ones from the US.

1 – I despise police brutality and the overstepping of their bounds from police in any country. I fully agree that the US has a problem with that as well.
I read here 2 things:
Have you seen footage where police were brutally handeling people but were still within legal bounds or have you seen police handeling people overstepping their legal bounds?

That someone is brutally handeled by the police doesnt mean it's not within legal bounds.
But chances are that those people handeled brutally were breaking one law or another.....

I have no problems with criminals/perpetrators that endanger lives of others being handled a bit rough when not listening/taking orders from the police, covid related or not. In fact, I expect none other.

Then again, if you think covid is an invented hoax and conspiracy, those images you saw were also probably fake....
 
JimRob said:
I remember Boris and his chief medical officer sat down in Downing Street back in March/April last year and said that face coverings have no measurable effect in reducing the spread of the virus, and should only be used by trained medical staff, and now we are being told that we should be wearing two masks. I don't know what is right either way, but when you see blatant contradictions and hypocrisy, and it directly affects our lives, then it needs calling out.
Yes we all remember politicians, educators and scientists saying a lot of things. But you imply that they have all the knowledge on forehand.
But guess what.....nobody has that. It's a NEW virus, and a mutating one at that. So scientists adapt their opinions and recommendations as their research/studies progresses and knowledge about the virus and clinical picture expands.
And the politicians have to adapt their policy and rules on that and try to figure out a way that it's workable and to some extent uniformly/unambiguously
 
Just to cover a few of the comments from your posts.



I also believe that the ultimate goal of this experimental vaccine is a depopulation scheme.
Based on what evidence? Which vaccine are you defining as experimental, there are many vaccines currently in use? 'Experimental' implies the vaccines are part of a conspiracy to experiment on the population. To what end? You think it's a sterilisation program? The vaccines have been tested with literally tens of thousands of control subjects, as per any 'regular' vaccine, just at an accelerated rate to bring them into service to deal with the current situation.
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

The overall death rates of 2019 and 2020 do not show a significant rise in deaths that one would expect to see were a real pandemic to hit the world.
A pandemic is defined as “an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people”.2 The classical definition includes nothing about population immunity, virology or disease severity.



I believe that the number of Covid deaths are greatly exaggerated. I have seen statistics to validate that belief.
Source?

Isn't it interesting that there were next to no deaths caused by influenza in 2020...Hmmmmmm?
Again, source?
CDC's information doesn't support that claim. Data shows more people were sick with influenza in 2019-2020 than 2018-2019, but suffered fewer deaths (but not what I would call 'next to no deaths' compared to the previous year). Fluctuations in death rates year on year can often be attributed to the strain of influenza that is prevalent for that year, some are more deadly than others:
CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza. The number of influenza-associated illnesses that occurred last season was similar to the estimated number of influenza-associated illnesses during the 2012–2013 influenza season when an estimated 34 million people had symptomatic influenza illness6.
CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2019–2020 season was moderate with an estimated 38 million people sick with flu, 18 million visits to a health care provider for flu, 400,000 hospitalizations for flu, and 22,000 flu deaths. The number of cases of influenza-associated illness, medically attended illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths were lower than some more recent seasons and similar to other seasons where influenza A(H1N1)pdm09 viruses dominated.

Sources: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2019-2020.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
IMO this “pandemic” is being used to gain power (over the population at large), garner more wealth for the likes of Bill Gates (Mr Vaccine, if you will) and others of his ilk, the vaccine manufacturers and large corporations. Small business has been greatly damaged by the draconian restrictions put into place by our loving governments while Walmart, Amazon and other corporate giants have gobbled up what small business was forced to give up. All these Covid measures are more about control than they are about health.
At least you admitted that statement was just your opinion.



4 – Masks in general, what a joke. There are plenty of doctors on both sides of that issue. Of course I agree with those whose opinion is that they are basically useless for stopping the transmission of any virus.
I disagree. I'm not sure where you find evidence to support your view they are "a joke" or more specifically, "basically useless for stopping the transmission of any virus." Actual science seems to show otherwise: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html

I have used the CDC and FDA as sources for my information, as I thought using known US sources might be more relevant to you.
Keeping an open mind about things does not mean ignoring science just because it doesn't fit your world view.
There is nothing new about conspiracy theories, but the Internet has made it all but impossible to stem the tide of misinformation that captures and indoctrinates an audience of already disenchanted people, no different really to the recruiting tactics of organisations like ISIS.
Some of the ideas/opinions you appear to believe (and repeat on this forum) are covered in this article: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/rmv.2222 Reviews in Medical Virology, 14 Feb 2021.
If you're disinclined to read it, I'll quote the conclusion:
Conspiracy theories are commonly easy to disseminate and propagate, yet difficult to refute. On one side, ‘science’ is often used to support conspiracy theories. The believers of conspiracy will continuously search for ‘scientific evidence’ to defend their claims that SARS‐CoV‐2 is a human‐made virus, such as the case with an HIV‐1 bioRxiv paper that has been retracted. On the other side, however, the believers of conspiracy theories criticise sciences when scientific evidence argues against their beliefs. Thus, the issues are clearly on their ideology, not the science. We are now facing over‐critical communities which, unfortunately, are not very knowledgeable. The situation is worsened by the lack of trust in government, research institutions, and pharmaceutical industries. Indeed, uncertainty regarding the origin and health consequences of the Covid‐19 pandemic may increase the likelihood of people refusing the Covid‐19 vaccine once it is approved. Therefore, physicians and health authorities should focus and design targeted interventions to address these issues. The current pandemic of Covid‐19 could serve as a starting point for scientists and health authorities to educate the general public and interfere with their decision‐making process about vaccination. Finally, governments need to deliver clear, consistent, and transparent information during this pandemic crisis to regain the trust of the general public.

I won't enter into a debate, trading facts for lies until you 'win' by default (I know how it works).
I just wanted to refute some of the more egregious statements you made; I hope one day you'll realise the harm and fear you create by continuing to perpetuate unsubstantiated claims about COVID. People have died, and will continue to die because of misplaced faith in pseudo-science and conspiracy theories. No one wins.
 
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