Are the 35i prices coming down
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Like I wrote on the Which E89 thread.
The gear box opinion is an interesting one. From driving both the DCT just seems perfect for these turbo cars. The manual is perfectly fine too but it doesn't feel to me like a particularly great instrument its not really that engaging or enjoyable its just a manual it does the job but isnt something I would call a fantastic must have gearbox, on the other hand you can feel in complete control all the time. The DCT on the other hand is probably one of the best BMW has ever made and although a manual would be my preferred the DCT is just too good to miss on these cars I think.
The gear box opinion is an interesting one. From driving both the DCT just seems perfect for these turbo cars. The manual is perfectly fine too but it doesn't feel to me like a particularly great instrument its not really that engaging or enjoyable its just a manual it does the job but isnt something I would call a fantastic must have gearbox, on the other hand you can feel in complete control all the time. The DCT on the other hand is probably one of the best BMW has ever made and although a manual would be my preferred the DCT is just too good to miss on these cars I think.
R.E92 said:mcbutler said:
The DCT is way ahead of the manual for acceleration. Not sure what specs you found but they are wrong
A couple of examples then, not from BMW of course, they want you to spend your cash on the more expensive box.
If we went through the whole list of models you will probably find examples both sides of the fence, but a faster car, driver connection and for less cash and way lower repair costs when the auto dies, manual for me. I have had hi tech autos on an M3 and C63, they are certainly good but not manual boxes.
3.0i
http://www.parkers.co.uk/bmw/z4/roadster-2009/30i-sdrive-m-sport-highline-edition-2d-auto/specs/
versus
http://www.parkers.co.uk/bmw/z4/roadster-2009/30i-sdrive-m-sport-highline-edition-2d-auto/specs/
3.0i Msport
http://www.parkers.co.uk/bmw/z4/roadster-2009/30i-sdrive-m-sport-highline-edition-2d-auto/specs/
versus
http://www.parkers.co.uk/bmw/z4/roadster-2009/30i-sdrive-m-sport-highline-edition-2d-auto/specs/
mcbutler said:R.E92 said:mcbutler said:
The DCT is way ahead of the manual for acceleration. Not sure what specs you found but they are wrong
A couple of examples then, not from BMW of course, they want you to spend your cash on the more expensive box.
If we went through the whole list of models you will probably find examples both sides of the fence, but a faster car, driver connection and for less cash and way lower repair costs when the auto dies, manual for me. I have had hi tech autos on an M3 and C63, they are certainly good but not manual boxes.
3.0i
http://www.parkers.co.uk/bmw/z4/roadster-2009/30i-sdrive-m-sport-highline-edition-2d-auto/specs/
versus
http://www.parkers.co.uk/bmw/z4/roadster-2009/30i-sdrive-m-sport-highline-edition-2d-auto/specs/
3.0i Msport
http://www.parkers.co.uk/bmw/z4/roadster-2009/30i-sdrive-m-sport-highline-edition-2d-auto/specs/
versus
http://www.parkers.co.uk/bmw/z4/roadster-2009/30i-sdrive-m-sport-highline-edition-2d-auto/specs/
Unless I am wrong you seem to be providing evidence of an N/A 3.0 Litre which I think comes with a normal auto box and not DCT.
Someone else will possibly confirm and advise if there is a difference.
Edit. Just looked on Parkers where you got the 3.0 litre info and for the 35i, the DCT box is 4.9 seconds where the manual is 5.0 seconds
Philly_Sweden
Member
Kugaman1 said:My only concern about the DCT is ££££££ if there’s a problem once the warranty runs out :|
That, the roof and adaptive suspensionI could never own a car that I’m terrified of going wrong outside of warranty......
Are you a worried soul?
The DCT is pretty reliable
Remember it's just a manual with automated gearchange.. Quite a few up around the 100k mark with no issues..
It's like anycar, if you buy the highest spec model with all the gadgets then potential to go wrong is amplified..
But where do you stop?
Don't but a 35i because of turbo issues etc etc..
Don't buy the 3.0 because of injector and cylinder head issues ..
You get what I mean, there is a reason not to buy every model...
Remember it's just a manual with automated gearchange.. Quite a few up around the 100k mark with no issues..
It's like anycar, if you buy the highest spec model with all the gadgets then potential to go wrong is amplified..
But where do you stop?
Don't but a 35i because of turbo issues etc etc..
Don't buy the 3.0 because of injector and cylinder head issues ..
You get what I mean, there is a reason not to buy every model...
Philly_Sweden
Member
Kugaman1 said:
Today I wanted to go outside and enjoy the sun but then, what if an airplane hits me? Better to stay inside.
I then got thirsty and wanted a glass of water, but what if was poisoned? :O better to stay thirsty
Just kidding mate but don't worry so much. Anything can happen.....or nothing?
I have owned maaaany cars and NOTHING has ever happened to any of them. Including many expensive M models incuding the V10 that "breaks all the time" lol
knock on wood.Have a nice day
Agreed mate!
I just feel that theres a fine line between value/running costs when buying a niche used car.
All cars have a ”life” and that life is mostly defined by how well it was designed/built and how well it was cared for by the previous owners....all variables I cant do much about.
If you have been lucky to have no issues, thats great, but plenty of people have been seriously bitten and lost lots of money when buying secondhand.
There are a fair few reports of people having adaptive suspension issues at £1000 a corner to repair...roofs failing and needing £2000 of repairs..the likelihood of that happening is very slightly higher than the likelihood of an aeroplane landing on my head
You just have to read this forum to see the amount of people that are paying over the odds for used z4’s because they are buying from a dealer and the dealer warranty/used car provenance is an essential requirement for them.
I just feel that theres a fine line between value/running costs when buying a niche used car.
All cars have a ”life” and that life is mostly defined by how well it was designed/built and how well it was cared for by the previous owners....all variables I cant do much about.
If you have been lucky to have no issues, thats great, but plenty of people have been seriously bitten and lost lots of money when buying secondhand.
There are a fair few reports of people having adaptive suspension issues at £1000 a corner to repair...roofs failing and needing £2000 of repairs..the likelihood of that happening is very slightly higher than the likelihood of an aeroplane landing on my head
You just have to read this forum to see the amount of people that are paying over the odds for used z4’s because they are buying from a dealer and the dealer warranty/used car provenance is an essential requirement for them.
Philly_Sweden
Member
Kugaman1 said:Agreed mate!
I just feel that theres a fine line between value/running costs when buying a niche used car.
All cars have a ”life” and that life is mostly defined by how well it was designed/built and how well it was cared for by the previous owners....all variables I cant do much about.
If you have been lucky to have no issues, thats great, but plenty of people have been seriously bitten and lost lots of money when buying secondhand.
There are a fair few reports of people having adaptive suspension issues at £1000 a corner to repair...roofs failing and needing £2000 of repairs..the likelihood of that happening is very slightly higher than the likelihood of an aeroplane landing on my head
You just have to read this forum to see the amount of people that are paying over the odds for used z4’s because they are buying from a dealer and the dealer warranty/used car provenance is an essential requirement for them.
Yeah I really hope that nothing happens with the car if it cost that much, yikes
If the suspension fails I'll just buy coilovers, seems much cheaper rather then fix or replace with OEM parts.
mcbutler said:R.E92 said:mcbutler said:
The DCT is way ahead of the manual for acceleration. Not sure what specs you found but they are wrong
A couple of examples then, not from BMW of course, they want you to spend your cash on the more expensive box.
If we went through the whole list of models you will probably find examples both sides of the fence, but a faster car, driver connection and for less cash and way lower repair costs when the auto dies, manual for me. I have had hi tech autos on an M3 and C63, they are certainly good but not manual boxes.
3.0i
http://www.parkers.co.uk/bmw/z4/roadster-2009/30i-sdrive-m-sport-highline-edition-2d-auto/specs/
versus
http://www.parkers.co.uk/bmw/z4/roadster-2009/30i-sdrive-m-sport-highline-edition-2d-auto/specs/
3.0i Msport
http://www.parkers.co.uk/bmw/z4/roadster-2009/30i-sdrive-m-sport-highline-edition-2d-auto/specs/
versus
http://www.parkers.co.uk/bmw/z4/roadster-2009/30i-sdrive-m-sport-highline-edition-2d-auto/specs/
Not sure what you are trying to say here. You just posted a load of links to a 3.0 with an auto slushbox.
The DCT option on the 35i makes the car a load faster. There's no arguing against that.
If you prefer manual then that's fine. But if you're saying you chose manual because it's faster then you made a mistake
mcbutler said:R.E92 said:mcbutler said:
The DCT is way ahead of the manual for acceleration. Not sure what specs you found but they are wrong
A couple of examples then, not from BMW of course, they want you to spend your cash on the more expensive box.
If we went through the whole list of models you will probably find examples both sides of the fence, but a faster car, driver connection and for less cash and way lower repair costs when the auto dies, manual for me. I have had hi tech autos on an M3 and C63, they are certainly good but not manual boxes.
3.0i
http://www.parkers.co.uk/bmw/z4/roadster-2009/30i-sdrive-m-sport-highline-edition-2d-auto/specs/
versus
http://www.parkers.co.uk/bmw/z4/roadster-2009/30i-sdrive-m-sport-highline-edition-2d-auto/specs/
3.0i Msport
http://www.parkers.co.uk/bmw/z4/roadster-2009/30i-sdrive-m-sport-highline-edition-2d-auto/specs/
versus
http://www.parkers.co.uk/bmw/z4/roadster-2009/30i-sdrive-m-sport-highline-edition-2d-auto/specs/
I will eat my hat if a manual car is quicker than a DCT (not std auto) I have yet to meet someone who can change gear in fractions of a millisecond , also its the skill of being in the right gear at the right time , whether you push a stick & press a pedal or use a paddle switch not really relevant