Apple announcement

Stuart Truman said:
anyone who spent several hundred pounds on a Bose SoundDock, or B&W Zeppelin or similar is not going to be over happy if their phone was their main device. I'm sure it will look lovely sat next to it with an adaptor cable...

... my exact reason for not buying one of those....

I also thing it is the same for both sides of the argument, apple fans stick up for apple and the apple "haters" go completely over the top in the other direction. No idea why people get so upset... I don't like android much but I don't feel the need to attack every post about the latest android (or android device) release.

Back to the point of innovation though, you can't innovate if you hang on to the past too much (dock connector). If that were the case we'd all still have audio cassette tapes. Occasionally you need to move on. It's similar to the people who spent £1000's on a TV only for the channels to start broadcasting in HD... I had to spend a bit to replace my TV when they did that, but now I have done that I expect it will last a fair while.
 
sars said:
This is probably my biggest gripe with Apple, Microsoft and Google, no cross platform exchangeability. I buy an app in one, it will not work in the other, this I believe to be fundamentally wrong and anti-competitive . I buy a license to use a piece of software from a third party and this shouldn't be device specific.

Problem there lies in the OS though. Is it better to have a variety of OS's or just one everyone uses? I'd say better to have a choice, but to then have cross-platform compatibility you end up needing something hideous akin to Java that's supported on all platforms. The alternative is you rely on the software companies to allow you to download/use their software on any platform in their license - in which case they've paid the development cost for 2 or 3 platforms and would need to hike up the price to cover that if they sell them as a bundle.

Stuart Truman said:
Apple are not the only innovators, they have some good, even great ideas, but many are built on the back of other peoples products. They do like to get litigious though. I won't call them patent trolls...

Portable digital music players - done by others first
Notebook computers - done by others first
Even their operating system is built on another product
MacBook keyboard - hp did that style first
Slim notebooks - Vaio anyone?

The list goes on.
This is one of my major complaints. Apple (and the rest now) have sued each other left, right and centre for copyright infringements when virtually every product is an evolution of someone else's. Adding to your list, iPhone's weren't the first touch screen or smart phones, iPads weren't the first tablets or slates, AppleTV wasn't the first media streaming/web device.

Where is the real genuine innovation now? The big two products this winter will be a new iPhone and a smaller iPad. Neither are exactly rocking the world with blue-sky thinking. Can none of the big companies think of and design something truely innovative anymore - something that stops you in your tracks and makes you say wow. Something you never needed before but suddenly desperately do need the minute you first see one. Despite being a gadget fan and a bit of a geek, I can't think of anything I've seen and suddenly been desperate to buy in a long time.
 
sp3ctre said:
I also thing it is the same for both sides of the argument, apple fans stick up for apple and the apple "haters" go completely over the top in the other direction. No idea why people get so upset... I don't like android much but I don't feel the need to attack every post about the latest android (or android device) release.

Your in a minority, most apple users round the parts I work feel the need to impress upon you that you MUST join them. Oh you only have android? tsk tsk, get an apple.

Its like some major i-mafia or i-religion. leading to me wanting to strangling them.
 
I'm an apple fanboyo (live in the country) and am really excited wahooooooooooooo

Joking aside I was one of those windows users and early adopters of the latest phones who dissed everything apple until I bought an ipod. ..since then Ive had the 3-3g-4-4s-ipad2-ipad2/3g and that is because a: they just bloody work well and b: because I have 150-200 apps that I don't want to rebuy.

I'd agree the samsung has a bigger screen but then it's a bigger device and in my opinion it's toooo big for a phone (i have an ipad for web surfing/videos etc). I use my phone and pad for business probably 1-2hrs per day pad and 2-4 hours iphone and both are generally flawless. The only time I have a problem is if I want the "latest" update on day of release.

the problem I have with android is a: most manufacturers use their own GUI and b: whether they can run updates at all. My missus has both an android pad and phone and frankly neither make sense to me and I would happily classify myself as a geek :rofl:
 
Allattar said:
Apple has a very similar revenue to Microsoft, it generated more income than Microsoft this year, the first time it ever beat Microsoft for income.

Googles estimate for quarterly revenue (Q2) is 12.2 billion

Apples Q3 is 35 billion. Ok Q3 and Q2 estimates but easily plucked from Google.

R&D 2% of 35 billion, is 0.7 Billion
R&D 14% of 12.2 is 1.7 Billion.

Apple is spending far less on R&D.

How many platforms does Microsoft have, big platforms that in their own right could support a single company, I'm thinking Sharepoint, SQL, Exchange, Office, Windows, Servers, Terminal Server, Virtual Servers, etcetcetc. MS is fighting many wars on many fronts and as such they rarely do any of them better than anyone else but they do have to develop them all, all of the time to keep them in the game hence a much much higher R&D cost.

They if you like also have an ecosystem be it mainly at the business and OS level and as such tie people to them.
 
That BBC article was very well written indeed and very true. The iPhone isnt an innovation anymore, its seen as a fashion accessory and a status symbol. Those who own them look down on the S3 owners and other Android owners that they cant afford an iPhone (really they do!) and thats why they have gone for Android.

Every year an iPhone comes out I read with interest and see what Apple have come up with this time. If its worth buying, i'll get one, but not one iPhone has had anything more spectacular than any other phone (apart from the high price).

I waited for the 4 to come out (and the 4s) and considered changing my phone, but didnt. Why? Because my 2 year old HTC Desire still does more than the iPhone4! Voice controls have been on Android for years, I can happily ask my phone what the weather will be like tomorrow and it tells me - I didnt need Siri - which lets not forget is still only a Beta in the UK!!!

Plus I hate Apple's ethics - they have to to control everything. Any competition they have to sue them. They seem to forget Palm and HTC were making touch screen phones years before Apple jumped on the bandwagon!!! And they stuff they sue over, even the way a screen "bounces" as you scroll it - like kids bickering.

I still havent changed my phone after 2 years - i'm happy having a phone I can customise to my hearts content, I dont want Apple telling me what i should and shouldnt do. If i want ot change my keyboard I can, or change the text messaging application I can, or send files via Bluetooth, I can. I can also use adaptors and power leads from other Android devices (and I believe Windows now) as manufacturers standardise on the mini USB socket (except Apple of course who like to sell £25 adaptors to their sucker customers).

I havent got the S3 because I find the screen is too big. Many of my friends who have been Apple fans over the years have ditched their iPhone 4's and 4s's for the S3 and cant believe how much better it is. While earlier editions of Android may have been for the "geeks", Android 4 in particular is excellent.

I'm waiting to see what the iPhone5 will offer with great interest. Will be very interesting to see what it will offer over the S3 and other new smartphones. Granted the price will still be ludicrous, and granted there will still be morons queuing up for weeks to buy it. (Seriously, I think Apple could stick their logo on a turd and people would buy it).

Plus lets not forget that after all the hype of this one and all the people who buy it (most of which are young adults who want something to show off to their mates) have got theirs on expensive 24 month contracts which they can hardly afford, that in 6 months time there will be the "this changes everything again, again, again" iPhone 5s.

Edit : Also, lets not forget that Apple are making all this profit, yet they cant pay their Foxconn workers a decent salary, or give them decent accomodation to live in, and their solution to stopping suicides was to put up netting and mesh around the factory and on the windows.
 
GaryH said:
Plus lets not forget that after all the hype of this one and all the people who buy it (most of which are young adults who want something to show off to their mates) have got theirs on expensive 24 month contracts which they can hardly afford, that in 6 months time there will be the "this changes everything again, again, again" iPhone 5s.

They give me an upgrade every 12 months and because the phone is still worth money second hand normally put £200 in my hand as well ;)

So every year I get a new phone, on the platform I know, on a platform that is stable and generally bug free, and they give me £200 for the pleasure ..... GOD DAM APPLE YOU ARE RIPPING ME OFF :poke:
 
I have a vodaphone pre pay. When I push the numbers I hear someones voice on the other end. It cost $19USD 2 years ago. If I loose it. I'll buy another one for $19USD. It fits in the watch pocket of my jeans. Try that with your S3/iPhone.
 
Pants said:
GaryH said:
Plus lets not forget that after all the hype of this one and all the people who buy it (most of which are young adults who want something to show off to their mates) have got theirs on expensive 24 month contracts which they can hardly afford, that in 6 months time there will be the "this changes everything again, again, again" iPhone 5s.

They give me an upgrade every 12 months and because the phone is still worth money second hand normally put £200 in my hand as well ;)

So every year I get a new phone, on the platform I know, on a platform that is stable and generally bug free, and they give me £200 for the pleasure ..... GOD DAM APPLE YOU ARE RIPPING ME OFF :poke:


Surely the cost of the phone is being recouped on the line rental...?

#nothing in life is free :)


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GaryH said:
That BBC article was very well written indeed and very true. The iPhone isnt an innovation anymore, its seen as a fashion accessory and a status symbol. Those who own them look down on the S3 owners and other Android owners that they cant afford an iPhone (really they do!) and thats why they have gone for Android.
Never seem much of a price difference between the Apple/HTC/Samsung phones of similar spec, and chose an iPhone 4S to replace my aged SonyEricsson K800i (which did everything I needed for about 5 years).
Maybe it's not iPhone owners looking down on non-iPhone owners - maybe some non-iPhone owners are just paranoid or are maybe trying to justify the fact that they've bought the wrong phone for them?
GaryH said:
Every year an iPhone comes out I read with interest and see what Apple have come up with this time. If its worth buying, i'll get one, but not one iPhone has had anything more spectacular than any other phone (apart from the high price).
I think you read it with interest, not to find out what's new, but to see what's the same, and use as ammunition in you anti-Apple war!
GaryH said:
I waited for the 4 to come out (and the 4s) and considered changing my phone, but didnt. Why? Because my 2 year old HTC Desire still does more than the iPhone4! Voice controls have been on Android for years, I can happily ask my phone what the weather will be like tomorrow and it tells me - I didnt need Siri - which lets not forget is still only a Beta in the UK!!!
My 5 year old K800i did everything I wanted at the time, but it became unreliable and I decided to swap it. At the time I went into the decision process with an open mind, and tried lots of my friend's phones (HTC/Samsung/Sony/Apple), and I settled on the Apple as it was the only one that didn't CRASH during testing. Voice recognition on anything (phone, sat-nav, etc.) is just a gimmick and is useless in the Z4 at motorway speeds.
GaryH said:
Plus I hate Apple's ethics - they have to to control everything. Any competition they have to sue them. They seem to forget Palm and HTC were making touch screen phones years before Apple jumped on the bandwagon!!! And they stuff they sue over, even the way a screen "bounces" as you scroll it - like kids bickering.
Sorry, but you don't seem to understand competition, intellectual property rights, or the processes you have to go through to protect them. I'm not going to bother explaining them to you - but put simply, if you fail to challenge infractions then it becomes harder to assert those rights at a later date. Microsoft does it, Xerox does it, BMW does it - please feel free to vent your spleen equally against them all!
GaryH said:
I still havent changed my phone after 2 years - i'm happy having a phone I can customise to my hearts content, I dont want Apple telling me what i should and shouldnt do. If i want ot change my keyboard I can, or change the text messaging application I can, or send files via Bluetooth, I can. I can also use adaptors and power leads from other Android devices (and I believe Windows now) as manufacturers standardise on the mini USB socket (except Apple of course who like to sell £25 adaptors to their sucker customers).
Good for you. You are happy with what you've got and what it can do. So why do you feel you have to spend so much effort into telling people how poor something is that you've never used?
GaryH said:
I havent got the S3 because I find the screen is too big. Many of my friends who have been Apple fans over the years have ditched their iPhone 4's and 4s's for the S3 and cant believe how much better it is. While earlier editions of Android may have been for the "geeks", Android 4 in particular is excellent.
So, Android phones were not good for normal users then, only good for geeks? Apple seems to be catering for the masses then!
GaryH said:
I'm waiting to see what the iPhone5 will offer with great interest. Will be very interesting to see what it will offer over the S3 and other new smartphones. Granted the price will still be ludicrous, and granted there will still be morons queuing up for weeks to buy it. (Seriously, I think Apple could stick their logo on a turd and people would buy it).
But it's clear that you're not going in with an open mind, when you know there'll be nothing new, and you're calling everyone else a moron?
GaryH said:
Plus lets not forget that after all the hype of this one and all the people who buy it (most of which are young adults who want something to show off to their mates) have got theirs on expensive 24 month contracts which they can hardly afford, that in 6 months time there will be the "this changes everything again, again, again" iPhone 5s.
So, more morons?
GaryH said:
Edit : Also, lets not forget that Apple are making all this profit, yet they cant pay their Foxconn workers a decent salary, or give them decent accomodation to live in, and their solution to stopping suicides was to put up netting and mesh around the factory and on the windows.
Come on, be serious. I don't see you berating Samsung/HTC/ZTE/Huawei for doing EXACTLY the same thing with their suppliers.

Why should Apple pay for the employees of another company? If a contract is negotiated to supply parts/services at a set price, then it's up to the employer to ensure they can pay a decent wage - which is in general more than the average wage in the area - and is why so many people are queueing up for jobs at the Foxconn plant whenever there are job vacancies.
 
bigdog said:
I have a vodaphone pre pay. When I push the numbers I hear someones voice on the other end. It cost $19USD 2 years ago. If I loose it. I'll buy another one for $19USD. It fits in the watch pocket of my jeans. Try that with your S3/iPhone.

LOL! A lot to be said for doing that!
 
sp3ctre said:
bigdog said:
I have a vodaphone pre pay. When I push the numbers I hear someones voice on the other end. It cost $19USD 2 years ago. If I loose it. I'll buy another one for $19USD. It fits in the watch pocket of my jeans. Try that with your S3/iPhone.

LOL! A lot to be said for doing that!

I have an S3, it fits in my pocket :).

But thats becuase it is a bloody thin phone. The screen is big, but you dont notice it being bulky becuase of its width.
 
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Allattar said:
sp3ctre said:
bigdog said:
I have a vodaphone pre pay. When I push the numbers I hear someones voice on the other end. It cost $19USD 2 years ago. If I loose it. I'll buy another one for $19USD. It fits in the watch pocket of my jeans. Try that with your S3/iPhone.

LOL! A lot to be said for doing that!

I have an S3, it fits in my pocket :).

But thats becuase it is a bloody thin phone. The screen is big, but you dont notice it being bulky becuase of its width.

No way that is going to fit in that little watch pocket inside of the bigger pocket. :o
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Allattar said:
No, unless I have a tardis pocket, but you have a phone that fits in there?

Either that or you have biiiiigg jeans :)

Samsung E1190 flip phone. 88MM X 44MM X 18.9MM L/W/D It's only 1.75 inches wide. About the same as a pocket watch. only 71 grams as well.
 
Wow, some real opinions on here, didn't plan on :fuelfire: when I started the thread :oops:

Apple is a business a business needs to make money and Apple is bloody good at it. I would like to see them constantly re-inventing and launching THE must have product. Simple fact is that never makes as much money, so Apple is more middle of the road than 5 or 10 years ago. Is this bad?
They will launch another design pushing product in the future and it will be something we have not dared dream about yet.

Choice is a great thing and that's why we have so many choices and prices. For me, I'm an Apple customer.
 
marchantsuk said:
Wow, some real opinions on here, didn't plan on :fuelfire: when I started the thread :oops:

Apple is a business a business needs to make money and Apple is bloody good at it. I would like to see them constantly re-inventing and launching THE must have product. Simple fact is that never makes as much money, so Apple is more middle of the road than 5 or 10 years ago. Is this bad?
They will launch another design pushing product in the future and it will be something we have not dared dream about yet.

Choice is a great thing and that's why we have so many choices and prices. For me, I'm an Apple customer.

You should be ashamed of yourself for having started a riot. :chairfight: Now go to your room and think about what you have done. :lol: :lol:
 
bigdog said:
marchantsuk said:
Wow, some real opinions on here, didn't plan on :fuelfire: when I started the thread :oops:

Apple is a business a business needs to make money and Apple is bloody good at it. I would like to see them constantly re-inventing and launching THE must have product. Simple fact is that never makes as much money, so Apple is more middle of the road than 5 or 10 years ago. Is this bad?
They will launch another design pushing product in the future and it will be something we have not dared dream about yet.

Choice is a great thing and that's why we have so many choices and prices. For me, I'm an Apple customer.

You should be ashamed of yourself for having started a riot. :chairfight: Now go to your room and think about what you have done. :lol: :lol:

:| ah bol%#*ks :evil:
 
ive got my new phone fund sitting in the bank as my 3gs has had it. been through the wash twice, on/off button broke, wifi broke, mute broke, case cracked, but still alive :thumbsup: didnt really see any difference in any of the iphone 4 models from what ive got which would make me buy it so im hoping that they will do something special for the 5. if not ive also got the new nokia 920 and samsung in my scopes

GaryH said:
Plus lets not forget that after all the hype of this one and all the people who buy it (most of which are young adults who want something to show off to their mates) have got theirs on expensive 24 month contracts which they can hardly afford, that in 6 months time there will be the "this changes everything again, again, again" iPhone 5s.
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was sitting around having a pint after lectuers at uni last year. 10-12 of us... the question came up who has an iphone??? everyone managed to pull one out their pocket. mostly 4's byt a few 3g's in the mix. amazing building blocks when u have so many
 
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