Anyone else worried about Lewis?
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Sae said:
Nope - the team that worked on Hamilton's car for the last two years worked on Rosberg's this year, so it's now 3-0 on their side of the garage as far as world titles go. Perhaps it was just a coincidence....
Martin Brundle had the best quote for me on Sunday: 'Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser'.
He did what he thought he had to to try and win. For me it's that mentality in all the great drivers that makes them better than the rest, rolling over and taking second place isn't an option. And of course it gives us all a better spectacle which is really what it's all about.
He did what he thought he had to to try and win. For me it's that mentality in all the great drivers that makes them better than the rest, rolling over and taking second place isn't an option. And of course it gives us all a better spectacle which is really what it's all about.
I don't think he was fair on Sunday. You're correct your biggest rival is your team mate, Rosberg has exactly the same equipment and opportunity so why not beat him as a racing driver in a race car? Hamilton could have driven at full allowed pace and let's see if Rosberg can keep up, the whole world can then see your talent and make their mind up who is the best driver. The two of them out in front one on one, take the defeat, not a hollow victory, and come back next year. It is a short career yes and can be ended very quickly and painfully but that shouldn't be at the expense of fair play, you enter that sport knowing you might make it to the end in one piece or not, no one holds a gun to your head.
If the sport has to resort to dirty tactics to be exciting then it needs a good long look at itself, you don't need it, make the cars more exciting, harder to drive, you can do that without sacrificing technology, then the Bernie and the public are happy, the sponsors and business keep turning along with the ticket gates. It's a sad place if the cream of racing drivers can only excite a crowd by foul play.
I see no reason whatsoever that Hamilton is owed anything by his team, his employers, they have made him a very rich young man, and built him a car that is the best, and as such he owes THEM, by doing as he's told, accepting the the top dogs descisions, he signed for them, no-one made him sign, so play by the teams rules, you can express your opinion if you're not happy but ultimately you have to follow their way, if you don't like it, leave. His recent media antics are truly pathetic, part of the F1 circus is to deal with the media, as he well knows, it's how the public payers find out what goes on, so is it too much to ask to have some respect and not piss about on your phone, listen and answer the questions in a proper manner no matter how dull it might be? We all have to do things we don't like in work, and the vast majority of us aren't paid a fortune to do it.
End of the day imo he's a fantastic, exciting driver that I enjoy watching but he doesn't need to be a jerk. On track I agree he mostly plays it fair, not on Sunday though, which is the point of this particular bit of the thread, but he's always been too sulky and mardy when it doesn't go his way, and Sunday was a huge example of that.
Anyway we all have different opinions, which is good.
If the sport has to resort to dirty tactics to be exciting then it needs a good long look at itself, you don't need it, make the cars more exciting, harder to drive, you can do that without sacrificing technology, then the Bernie and the public are happy, the sponsors and business keep turning along with the ticket gates. It's a sad place if the cream of racing drivers can only excite a crowd by foul play.
I see no reason whatsoever that Hamilton is owed anything by his team, his employers, they have made him a very rich young man, and built him a car that is the best, and as such he owes THEM, by doing as he's told, accepting the the top dogs descisions, he signed for them, no-one made him sign, so play by the teams rules, you can express your opinion if you're not happy but ultimately you have to follow their way, if you don't like it, leave. His recent media antics are truly pathetic, part of the F1 circus is to deal with the media, as he well knows, it's how the public payers find out what goes on, so is it too much to ask to have some respect and not piss about on your phone, listen and answer the questions in a proper manner no matter how dull it might be? We all have to do things we don't like in work, and the vast majority of us aren't paid a fortune to do it.
End of the day imo he's a fantastic, exciting driver that I enjoy watching but he doesn't need to be a jerk. On track I agree he mostly plays it fair, not on Sunday though, which is the point of this particular bit of the thread, but he's always been too sulky and mardy when it doesn't go his way, and Sunday was a huge example of that.
Anyway we all have different opinions, which is good.
Sae said:
Toto said they were shuffling the pack with their staff to freshen it up, what he didn't say was they employed the guy who was doing Jonny Essex's turbo as chief mechanic for Lewis!
....I just would have like to see Lewis a little more congratulatory towards Nico regardless of what's happened in the past, that would have gone a long way in my book.
john-e89 said:
I disagree, it was tactics, not dirty at all... running him off the track would be dirty tactics, this was just clever driving... if Rosberg was fast enough he should've been able to get past Hamilton, as there are rules to prevent too much blocking. The fact that he wasn't quick enough to take Hamilton meant he was in a tough spot, which he had to hold on to... and he did.
I did wonder if Vettel perhaps didn't try overly hard once he figured out what was happening. I know it looked like he was eager to get past Rosberg, but I just wan't 100% sure he didn't push a little less hard to give Rosberg the title.
BTW, I can't stand Hamilton either, but I was impressed with that drive.
sp3ctre said:
Fair point but I disagree also, I think it was dirty tactics, he didn't block Rosberg he held him up, and in the hope that Vettel, Ricardo, Verstappen would try overtaking and maybe cause a collision from the overtake or from Rosberg re-overtaking, I don't see any other reason for holding him and that's dirty in my book. Rosberg as you say had nowhere to go, he couldn't risk an overtake on Hamilton in the same car. He held his nerve to be fair to him.
I suppose one persons dirty tricks is another's clever driving. Some will see it one way and some another John.
Martin Brundle (who knows a thing or two) remarked on how difficult it was to drive like Lewis did - slow for part of the lap and quick for the remainder where DRS was a threat. It probably took more skill than foot to the floor.
Anyway it's all over for another 6 months by which time we might have more competitive cars. Here's hoping
Martin Brundle (who knows a thing or two) remarked on how difficult it was to drive like Lewis did - slow for part of the lap and quick for the remainder where DRS was a threat. It probably took more skill than foot to the floor.
Anyway it's all over for another 6 months by which time we might have more competitive cars. Here's hoping
It's funny to be a truly successful sportsman you have to be pretty damn ruthless against your opponents and motor racing is no different. Look at Senna or Schumacher both utterly ruthless when it comes to winning, then you get the first Brit that has the killer instinct and peeps complain that he's dirty and un-sportsmanlike 
original guvnor said:I suppose one persons dirty tricks is another's clever driving. Some will see it one way and some another John.
Martin Brundle (who knows a thing or two) remarked on how difficult it was to drive like Lewis did - slow for part of the lap and quick for the remainder where DRS was a threat. It probably took more skill than foot to the floor.
Anyway it's all over for another 6 months by which time we might have more competitive cars. Here's hoping
Exactly OG, healthy discussion is all, shame it's not in the pub with a pint mind... :lol:
Don't get me wrong he's an awesome driver, no argument there.
Next years cars look good, wider tyres and body, lower, wider rear wing, let's hope it spices the show up. I've been watching it since a kid in the 70's, can't wait for March...
sars said:It's funny to be a truly successful sportsman you have to be pretty damn ruthless against your opponents and motor racing is no different. Look at Senna or Schumacher both utterly ruthless when it comes to winning, then you get the first Brit that has the killer instinct and peeps complain that he's dirty and un-sportsmanlike
And your point is..??
Graham and Damon Hill weren't dirty, Mansell wasn't, Button wasn't, etc, etc. They all won.
sars said:It's funny to be a truly successful sportsman you have to be pretty damn ruthless against your opponents and motor racing is no different. Look at Senna or Schumacher both utterly ruthless when it comes to winning, then you get the first Brit that has the killer instinct and peeps complain that he's dirty and un-sportsmanlike
Well I manage to avoid the results and just finished watching on C4 player. Can't say I saw any dirty driving, just an entertaining end to the season. All Nico needed to do was over take Lewis and disappear down the road, if he thought it was too slow. :wink:
lux said:Sae said:
Toto said they were shuffling the pack with their staff to freshen it up, what he didn't say was they employed the guy who was doing Jonny Essex's turbo as chief mechanic for Lewis!
....I just would have like to see Lewis a little more congratulatory towards Nico regardless of what's happened in the past, that would have gone a long way in my book.
I think having to deal with what amounts to the pinnacle of failure at that particular moment in time must be tough to deal with especialy as your employer seemed to want you to fail but from the pics and media he looked congratulatory enough including giving mrs rosberg a hug which looked nice.
If folks dont like what theyre seeing with ham and ros, then you definitely dont want to peek over into the world of motogp, rossi and lozza and maqqa - its like ufc of sportsmanship
Hamilton being bloody rude to Rosberg in the pre-podium area (including ignoring him then standing with his hands behind his back for the photograph with Bernie) is a measure of him as a sportsman and a gentleman. It was only with DC on the podium that Hamilton stopped talking about himself and even acknowledged Rosberg.
I respect Hamilton's abilities as a driver but have no respect for him as a man.
I respect Hamilton's abilities as a driver but have no respect for him as a man.
john-e89 said:sars said:It's funny to be a truly successful sportsman you have to be pretty damn ruthless against your opponents and motor racing is no different. Look at Senna or Schumacher both utterly ruthless when it comes to winning, then you get the first Brit that has the killer instinct and peeps complain that he's dirty and un-sportsmanlike
And your point is..??
Graham and Damon Hill weren't dirty, Mansell wasn't, Button wasn't, etc, etc. They all won.
Yes but Damon, Mansell and Button only won it once - the "more focussed" (AKA cheating B*stards like Senna, Prost & Schumacher all won multiple titles)!
You don't usually win multiple championships by being "nice"!
ben g said:
I'm glad to hear that! Free to air coverage of Formula 1 in Australia is pretty crap. I don't think they showed that bit (or I am going blind). They tend to cut to adverts as soon as the cars cross the line, so I saw only what happened in the pre-podium area...
Mr Tidy said:john-e89 said:sars said:It's funny to be a truly successful sportsman you have to be pretty damn ruthless against your opponents and motor racing is no different. Look at Senna or Schumacher both utterly ruthless when it comes to winning, then you get the first Brit that has the killer instinct and peeps complain that he's dirty and un-sportsmanlike
And your point is..??
Graham and Damon Hill weren't dirty, Mansell wasn't, Button wasn't, etc, etc. They all won.
Yes but Damon, Mansell and Button only won it once - the "more focussed" (AKA cheating B*stards like Senna, Prost & Schumacher all won multiple titles)!
You don't usually win multiple championships by being "nice"!
Thanks for pointing that out, I would also add that one of the things I do like about Hamilton, unfortunately there is a lot that I don't like, is that he's no cheat. Even on Sunday, backing Rosberg up into the chasing pack behind was well within the rules, it actually happens in every race. the leader keeps to a pace that is just fast enough to keep the lead. Because of fuel/tyres/power train management the days of the leader streaking off into the distance are gone.