Anyone else worried about Lewis?

[original guvnor]

I don't get the criticism of Hamilton's tactics. It's a team sport in name only. Rosberg has already (to his credit) said he'd probably have done the same thing. What was he supposed to do? Mercedes had already guaranteed the Constructors Championship and the Drivers World Champion regardless of who won that race.

I don't have any particular dislike for Rosberg but he's not really a worthy champion. He's won because in a two car team, his car was strangely a lot more reliable than this teammate's.

 

[ekimj10]

I don't have any particular dislike for Rosberg but he's not really a worthy champion. He's won because in a two car team, his car was strangely a lot more reliable than this teammate's.

A good point Governor! plus Lewis never fitted in to the Mercedes corporate image.

 

[DMC63]

Let's face it. He's there to drive a car - Very fast - and win! Which he does well. As for his sexuality, who give a f**k. The bling is a different matter. Lack of education or concern for the origins of the diamonds is far more worrying...Do the people that wear diamonds, no matter the size of the gem actually realize the nature of the industry they're supporting and financing! Has anyone who wears a diamond looked into the conditions of the miners at work and their living conditions? But I guess it's just the same as the brainless f**ks that wear Canada goose...It's all about brand and status, ethics are ignored. Wow, that was heavy for a car forum.

 

[Ewazix]

I have no doubt whatsoever that all of the drivers on that track in the same position to Lewis would have done the same !!!

A lot of foofoofball players flop and dive like Tom Daley but that doesn't make it a great sporting specticle either,

I accept Lewis has had some odd 'luck' this year but slowgate was a childish tactic, he's better than that :thumbsdown:

 

[exdos]

Do the people that wear diamonds, no matter the size of the gem actually realize the nature of the industry they're supporting and financing! Has anyone who wears a diamond looked into the conditions of the miners at work and their living conditions? But I guess it's just the same as the brainless f**ks that wear Canada goose...It's all about brand and status, ethics are ignored. Wow, that was heavy for a car forum.

Same applies to anyone who uses coal to keep warm or buys products which have used coal-fired power stations in their production...

 

[sars]

Yesterday re-affirmed my opinion that Mercedes has done more harm to F1 than any of BE's mad ideas have done. That is controlling both sides of the garage so that there is no competing between the two sides of the garage. We can only hope that next year Red Bull, Ferrari and McLaren are up there too.

Whilst I'm not Lewis's biggest fan, I think he has been utterly dominant when he's had the confidence/desperation to. Yesterday he did what he needed to do, I think Mercedes team management were pretty stupid to ask a driver to do something that would damage his WDC hopes and shouldn't be surprised he told them where to go. Lewis is ruthless as any multiple WDC has to be and that's what Mercedes want and therefore Wolff and co were just delusional

 

[metal licker]

I have no doubt whatsoever that all of the drivers on that track in the same position to Lewis would have done the same !!!

A lot of foofoofball players flop and dive like Tom Daley but that doesn't make it a great sporting specticle either,

I accept Lewis has had some odd 'luck' this year but slowgate was a childish tactic , he's better than that :thumbsdown:

I only wish England's footballers had some of Lewis's ruthlessness they'd maybe win something !
As for the childish tactic they was no other way for him to effect the outcome of the World Championship but to push Nico back into the others and hope something happened,do you think he should have let him win it uncontested ?

 

[DMC63]

:stir:

Do the people that wear diamonds, no matter the size of the gem actually realize the nature of the industry they're supporting and financing! Has anyone who wears a diamond looked into the conditions of the miners at work and their living conditions? But I guess it's just the same as the brainless f**ks that wear Canada goose...It's all about brand and status, ethics are ignored. Wow, that was heavy for a car forum.

Same applies to anyone who uses coal to keep warm or buys products which have used coal-fired power stations in their production...

 

[sp3ctre]

Yesterday re-affirmed my opinion that Mercedes has done more harm to F1 than any of BE's mad ideas have done. That is controlling both sides of the garage so that there is no competing between the two sides of the garage. We can only hope that next year Red Bull, Ferrari and McLaren are up there too.

Whilst I'm not Lewis's biggest fan, I think he has been utterly dominant when he's had the confidence/desperation to. Yesterday he did what he needed to do, I think Mercedes team management were pretty stupid to ask a driver to do something that would damage his WDC hopes and shouldn't be surprised he told them where to go. Lewis is ruthless as any multiple WDC has to be and that's what Mercedes want and therefore Wolff and co were just delusional

Yeah, and the team can only give "orders" like that if they hold the cards... what are they going to do, refuse to renew his contract?... Sure Ferrari would love that to happen! At the end of the day whilst he doesn't fit their image as well as Rosberg he is a winning driver, and if Ferrari et al are more competitive next year that's exactly what they need, a scrapper!

 

[maxman]

Yeah, and the team can only give "orders" like that if they hold the cards... what are they going to do, refuse to renew his contract?... Sure Ferrari would love that to happen! At the end of the day whilst he doesn't fit their image as well as Rosberg he is a winning driver, and if Ferrari et al are more competitive next year that's exactly what they need, a scrapper![/quote]

Because Mercedes are so dominant you could put Verstapen,Alonso ,Vetal,Ricardo in the car and they would be winners more often than not.
Drivers win the world championship not because they are the best drivers,but they have the best package at that time,it's been that way for years.
F1 is a showcase for engineering excellence ,but as a spectator sport it's boring.To make it more interesting at the start of practice the drivers should draw lots for a F1 car ,then we would see how the supposedly top drivers perform in the lesser cars during the race.

 

[sars]

Yeah, and the team can only give "orders" like that if they hold the cards... what are they going to do, refuse to renew his contract?... Sure Ferrari would love that to happen! At the end of the day whilst he doesn't fit their image as well as Rosberg he is a winning driver, and if Ferrari et al are more competitive next year that's exactly what they need, a scrapper!

Because Mercedes are so dominant you could put Verstapen,Alonso ,Vetal,Ricardo in the car and they would be winners more often than not.
Drivers win the world championship not because they are the best drivers,but they have the best package at that time,it's been that way for years.
F1 is a showcase for engineering excellence ,but as a spectator sport it's boring.To make it more interesting at the start of practice the drivers should draw lots for a F1 car ,then we would see how the supposedly top drivers perform in the lesser cars during the race.

Perhaps there is some truth in that this year, Mercedes have been utterly dominant 19 wins from 21 races, however I take issue with

Drivers win the world championship not because they are the best drivers,but they have the best package at that time.

that the driver still has to beat their teammate and usually the better driver does, this year being an exception. However, as sp3ctre states, team management want drivers that excite, as it helps sell products. F1 is a business first and a sport second and sponsors much prefer the likes of Lewis over Nico and who, let's be honest, has the personality of an amoeba

 

[VRSteve]

Yesterdays behaviour just reinforces my view that Lewis is both a spoilt little brat and a monumental bell end.

Can't tell you how pleased it makes me to see him lose. Teach him a bit of humility.

 

[Sae]

Any bias aside, there is probably no denying that through lauda and toto's comments, they have just about confirmed that they/mercedes wanted rosberg to take the title this season.
That is not to say that rosberg was given it on a plate he still needed to win the 9 races that he did, and still needed to keep it together and collect points, so rosberg does deserve the title in that respect.
The aspects of this season that are difficult to conprehend are the failures on hamiltons car while rosberg had none, so from that aspect rosberg gets all the luck this season - fact.
To keep it in perspective, without tech failures hamilton still could have won it if he didnt go backwards at suzuka, so its not that he was buried by his lack of luck or plotting, although some might argue the lack of a consistent car was why he had a bad start at suzuka.
As all news sites have reported hamiltons driving stats prove him to be the better racer without a doubt, however that doesnt always garuantee victory - what about alonso/hamilton in their first season. We can probably understand why alo dobbed maca in about fezza secrets that cost ron £100million, so hamiltons backing rosberg into vettel isnt such an inpproprietary anymore.
I think this also highlights that schumi's utter ruthlessness was probably actual brilliance in his day.
With the season over, im actually looking forward to next year already

 

[Nanu]

If Nico thought he was at risk of being overtaken as a result of Lewis's tactics of driving too slow his solution was easy, just drive faster and overtake Lewis!

 

[ben g]

Yesterdays behaviour just reinforces my view that Lewis is both a spoilt little brat and a monumental bell end.

Can't tell you how pleased it makes me to see him lose. Teach him a bit of humility.

He won yesterday

He also seemed happy enough. I would be too if I had 3 world championships and a £30 million a year contract.

 

[john-e89]

What was he supposed to do?

Drive lights to flag like a man, not a spoilt child perhaps?

Set fastest after fastest lap as far as the tyres and fuel will allow, pull away from Rosberg in a clean show of pure driving excellence, show the world just how quick you are, take the victory with class and in style. Accept defeat with grace and with pride that you've done your very best, congratulate your team mate and mean it. Show your team that they don't need to tell you to speed up and cause controversy, to disobey your employers. Show the paying public that put all that money in your pocket that you're worthy of it, that you're a role model for kids, that dirty tricks have no place in sport. Prove to yourself that in defeat you're a winner. A hollow victory is no victory imho. Turn the light off at night knowing you've played the game and done everything you could as a FAIR sportsman.

Just a suggestion...

 

[TitanTim]

I only ever watch the start of grand prixs now as the rest is just plain boring along with the commentators, no doubting Hamiltons talent but he does come across as a spoilt child and pretty unsportsman like at times, in fact the opposite to Button.

Really wish we could go back to the days of Senna, Prost and Mansell where to me it seemed more about the driving than what jewellery they wear, oh and no forgetting Murray, the best commentator F1 has ever had.

Tim.

 

[BMWZ4MC]

What was he supposed to do?

Drive lights to flag like a man, not a spoilt child perhaps?

Set fastest after fastest lap as far as the tyres and fuel will allow, pull away from Rosberg in a clean show of pure driving excellence, show the world just how quick you are, take the victory with class and in style. Accept defeat with grace and with pride that you've done your very best, congratulate your team mate and mean it. Show your team that they don't need to tell you to speed up and cause controversy, to disobey your employers. Show the paying public that put all that money in your pocket that you're worthy of it, that you're a role model for kids, that dirty tricks have no place in sport. Prove to yourself that in defeat you're a winner. A hollow victory is no victory imho. Turn the light off at night knowing you've played the game and done everything you could as a FAIR sportsman.

Just a suggestion...

Couldn't have put it better

 

[ben g]

What was he supposed to do?

Drive lights to flag like a man, not a spoilt child perhaps?

Set fastest after fastest lap as far as the tyres and fuel will allow, pull away from Rosberg in a clean show of pure driving excellence, show the world just how quick you are, take the victory with class and in style. Accept defeat with grace and with pride that you've done your very best, congratulate your team mate and mean it. Show your team that they don't need to tell you to speed up and cause controversy, to disobey your employers. Show the paying public that put all that money in your pocket that you're worthy of it, that you're a role model for kids, that dirty tricks have no place in sport. Prove to yourself that in defeat you're a winner. A hollow victory is no victory imho. Turn the light off at night knowing you've played the game and done everything you could as a FAIR sportsman.

Just a suggestion...

He's done that plenty of times before and everyone complains that F1 is boring because of it :lol: The guy simply cannot win.

 

[original guvnor]

I think he's a very fair driver indeed and doesn't need to prove that to anyone.

This isn't a dress rehearsal. It's a short career and you need to be ruthless. Despite it masquerading as a "team" sport is isnt. You're only loyal to your side of the garage. The guy on the other side is your biggest enemy and the first person to beat. Every one already knows he's the fastest driver. Driving off into the distance wouldn't have done him any good at all, nor the paying public either. Which of the two options do you think Bernie would've wanted? Not the same one as Merc did. Which provided the most entertainment for fans? Or nearly did. Had Merc not threatened to knacker his race by pitting him after Rosberg it could've been an incredible spectacle. But no, the team that already had the World Championship and Constrcutors Championship in the bag regardless of who won wanted another procession. I think after changing Hamilton's mechanics without asking him and coincidentally providing him with an unreliable car relative to his teammate I think they owed him some slack.