All electric by 2030
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On the environmental front, it’s almost laughable that the “green” option that we are are going with is battery cells that are far from green when you look at the way they are currently produced, transported to source and their shelf life but the biggest laugh as things stand is that when the end user charges them, the power comes from an electricity network that is still very heavily reliant on.......fossil fuel.
As with everything else, things will get where they need to be, eventually. In the mean time, enjoy what you own and aspire to own, I have driven an Audi E-Tron, they are awesome if a bit big and silly.
It’s no Z4 though
As with everything else, things will get where they need to be, eventually. In the mean time, enjoy what you own and aspire to own, I have driven an Audi E-Tron, they are awesome if a bit big and silly.
It’s no Z4 though
What I'm still amazed by is people driving 5 miles just to get to work in the UK. Granted, some roads are just too dangerous to even consider using a pushbike but there has to be more incentives for cyclists as a feasible alternative for commuting in the UK.
If there was incentivisation, infrastructure and sufficient safety margins there would be a landslide reduction in CO2 from this user-base alone.
Here in NL cycling is a given when commuting locally and there are lots of government and privately sponsored schemes to get people using pushbikes and e-bikes. If you even think about driving around the corner just to go and get a pint (or litre here) of milk you're considered a proper lazy tw@t and rightly so.
I see little incentives offered for cycling in the UK however. Missed opportunity?
If there was incentivisation, infrastructure and sufficient safety margins there would be a landslide reduction in CO2 from this user-base alone.
Here in NL cycling is a given when commuting locally and there are lots of government and privately sponsored schemes to get people using pushbikes and e-bikes. If you even think about driving around the corner just to go and get a pint (or litre here) of milk you're considered a proper lazy tw@t and rightly so.
I see little incentives offered for cycling in the UK however. Missed opportunity?
Ebikes are just as guilty of using electric from a grid heavily reliant on fossil fuel.
People in the uk drive to the local shop, school, pharmacy, 500 mtrs is way too far to walk for these lazy tossers, they won’t even park in the bays at a petrol station, instead parking just outside the doors. I once observed several people driving to the toilet block on a campsite. They will always be among us but don’t be angry, remember that when zombieland arrives officially (it has been raging for years in various towns in the north of England) the first rule is cardio, that’s when justice will be served
People in the uk drive to the local shop, school, pharmacy, 500 mtrs is way too far to walk for these lazy tossers, they won’t even park in the bays at a petrol station, instead parking just outside the doors. I once observed several people driving to the toilet block on a campsite. They will always be among us but don’t be angry, remember that when zombieland arrives officially (it has been raging for years in various towns in the north of England) the first rule is cardio, that’s when justice will be served
My thoughts exactly....from mining the ore for the battery packs, in often poor countries, with labour exploitation, to the relatively short lifespan (as little as 5 years in many cases,then the cost of replacement batteries)....and,as you say,disposal at Landfill etc isn't good for the environment.Dark Diggler said:On the environmental front, it’s almost laughable that the “green” option that we are are going with is battery cells that are far from green when you look at the way they are currently produced, transported to source and their shelf life but the biggest laugh as things stand is that when the end user charges them, the power comes from an electricity network that is still very heavily reliant on.......fossil fuel.
As with everything else, things will get where they need to be, eventually. In the mean time, enjoy what you own and aspire to own, I have driven an Audi E-Tron, they are awesome if a bit big and silly.
It’s no Z4 though
NOT to mention the production of Electricity as said,and added strain on that infrastructure.
Soulless electric cars etc are the future, but not one I look forward too.......thankfully it will be ,any years before the combustion engine will be put onto pasture.
Its funny,this popped up in another thread re Oil production,remaining supply.
Another reason fir the switch to Electric, as they tell us we have 50 years of Oil left.......something that the experts in the industry have been telling us since the 1980's,lol.
As they discover more Oil,combined with demand fluctuations.
Thankfully, if iOil does run out in 50 years, I will be nearly 100,or dead.
I do feel for future generations who are growing up,or will do,with Electric vehicles as the Normal way of things
Nictrix said:
I think there may well be 2 camps, the 911’s etc may even carry a premium as 2030 approaches but your other “run of the mill” cars may not even be readily available at the same time and any that are may be hugely discounted because as you say in 5 yrs may virtually be worthless compared to the list price.
I think people who buy them at that point will have a very specific reason for buying them and agree it will be very unlikely to be the same people who are buying them now.
My brother, who’s a total PH, has just bought his first electric Porsche. He said a year or so ago when he was changing it it’d be for an electric one. I actually thought he was joking to start with. I think your X5/X6 buyers will start follows similar pattern so there may not even be a market for them in 2030
Argyll Andy said:
As has been mentioned this all eclectic idea is stupid, the filthy industry needed to produce the batteries along with their very limited life span and horrendously dirty disposal process is conveniently swept under the carpet for a sterile whiter than white marketable image.
Hydrogen is the future just like fusion yet the govs of the world are too fking stupid to invest the money needed to push the technology along
Do you think people will own cars? - do you think the Gov want you to own a car (other than it being a tax based cash cow)?
Electric and driverless cars; press the app; nearest car arrives - takes you and drops you off; goes to the nearest cleaning and charging station then onto the next job.
No idiot drivers; no traffic jams; no city streets blocked with parked cars - and meanwhile out in the sticks we'll be distilling our own fuel and red-necking bits of cars together Mad Max style to get about :lol:
Electric and driverless cars; press the app; nearest car arrives - takes you and drops you off; goes to the nearest cleaning and charging station then onto the next job.
No idiot drivers; no traffic jams; no city streets blocked with parked cars - and meanwhile out in the sticks we'll be distilling our own fuel and red-necking bits of cars together Mad Max style to get about :lol:
Nictrix said:
There will still be fuel mind, it just means that from that point onwards only electric cars can be sold brand new, the majority of people will still have fuel based cars
Tbh I would agree that a 2029 car would increase in value because they will no longer be made, just like most things that are highly desirable, loved and cease production
There will still be fuel mind, it just means that from that point onwards only electric cars can be sold brand new, the majority of people will still have fuel based cars
Tbh I would agree that a 2029 car would increase in value because they will no longer be made, just like most things that are highly desirable, loved and cease production
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This is similar to when leaded fuel was phased out, classics would need to be scrapped, people now buy additives to run their 1960 classics.
Most people will go to a hybrid initially due to the worry of not being able to get to their end destination with an electric only car, I used to travel to LHR from South Wales and unless I had a Tesla an electric car has not feasible over the past five years, hybrid was the only real option.
Fuel will be available for years to come as most people cannot afford a new electric vehicle today and most will not go that direction anyway due to the above point.
I think Hydrogen will be the way forward as time goes on - battery will be a intermediate solution only.
Tbh I would agree that a 2029 car would increase in value because they will no longer be made, just like most things that are highly desirable, loved and cease production
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This is similar to when leaded fuel was phased out, classics would need to be scrapped, people now buy additives to run their 1960 classics.
Most people will go to a hybrid initially due to the worry of not being able to get to their end destination with an electric only car, I used to travel to LHR from South Wales and unless I had a Tesla an electric car has not feasible over the past five years, hybrid was the only real option.
Fuel will be available for years to come as most people cannot afford a new electric vehicle today and most will not go that direction anyway due to the above point.
I think Hydrogen will be the way forward as time goes on - battery will be a intermediate solution only.
I couldnt really care less what happens to run of the mill humdrum white goods vehicles... in fact, the faster we can bring in all electric, autonomous driving the better for 95% of people. I consider myself a petrolhead but have no interest in being awake for the 20 mile motorway commute into work in the morning, id quite happily let an electric autonomous car drive that journey for me.
Enthusiasts will continue to keep the sportscar alive - technically the naturally aspirated, manual car has already been phased out, but here we are on a Z4 forum, still happily driving cars that are in some cases 17 years old now - we haven't been taxed off the road, petrol prices have gone up hugely in the past 17 years, and we're still driving them. petrol prices in 2004 was 78p a litre, now its £1.19.
also, newer cars are less susceptible to the biggest killer of old cars - rust. so i think enthusiasts will still be driving pure petrol only sportscars until at least 2050. and then the really keen enthusiasts today are still keeping cars from the 60s, 70s and 80s alive and well - following that logic, a good sportscar bought new in 2025 may still be on the road in 2075.
Enthusiasts will continue to keep the sportscar alive - technically the naturally aspirated, manual car has already been phased out, but here we are on a Z4 forum, still happily driving cars that are in some cases 17 years old now - we haven't been taxed off the road, petrol prices have gone up hugely in the past 17 years, and we're still driving them. petrol prices in 2004 was 78p a litre, now its £1.19.
also, newer cars are less susceptible to the biggest killer of old cars - rust. so i think enthusiasts will still be driving pure petrol only sportscars until at least 2050. and then the really keen enthusiasts today are still keeping cars from the 60s, 70s and 80s alive and well - following that logic, a good sportscar bought new in 2025 may still be on the road in 2075.
ph001 said:
They will probably be inclined to do that but reality will likely prevent it, I'm not sure what percentage of the UK pop actually owns a new car but I would be surprised if its a majority (more than 50%) that being said any attempt to price out older cars will attract a heavy heavy amount of political kick back and thats to completely ignore the logistics businesses that rely on petrol/diesel and will do for a long time, even the concept of the Tesla Semi (Which I love) its max range is only about 500miles, diesel trucks can do as much as 3 times that before needing filled and obviously filling them takes minutes vs hours for electric vehicles and Id assume an electric truck will take a lonnnnng time to charge.
The Classical car industry employs millions of people throughout the UK and petrol creates huge income for the government, so it would not be in there interest to stop selling petrol. I think that road tax and fuel prices are likely to just increase gradually each year until the vast majority of people make the decision to switch to electric. Personally I don’t think electric is the solution and Hydrogen will be common place in 15-20 years time and electric is just a stop gap!
SiJar said:
Take a look at this then regarding the extent of the classics spend
https://fbhvc.co.uk/news/article/fbhvc-national-historic-vehicle-survey-reveals-significant-contribution-to-uk-economy
Well come 2030 and beyond at my current age maybe the only electric I will be driving is a electric wheel chair. But we already have those so am good!! And am sure by 2030 just like you can select a radio station today you would be able to select the sound of what every engine you wanted your electric car to provide!!!