A blessed relief
- Thread starter Nanu
- Start date
Nanu said:It was actually a wartime Conservative-led coalition which published a 1944 white paper that set out the need for a “free” and “comprehensive” healthcare service. Labour was elected and adopted the ideaVornwend said:pvr said:
Is the Tory Party still a party? isn't it more accurate to call it a gathering now
Seriously though, personal greed is not how a healthy society thrives. Lazy labelling which thankfully doesn't resonate with the majority of people anymore. Talking of health, it's 76 years to the day since Labour founded the health service - something, I think we can agree, we can all be grateful for.
Nah, that's rewriting history I'm afraid, Labour's plan was very different - thankfully. If you are genuinely interested in knowing what actually happened this short article will bring you up to speed.
https://keepournhspublic.com/the-conservatives-never-were-the-party-of-the-nhs-and-history-proves-it/#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20things%20this,Willink%20plan%20(as%20it%20was
Obviously it's very, very early days but how refreshing it is to see grown up politics returning to the UK. Honesty about the probems we face, willingness to engage genuinely with all parts and sections of the country rather than continually provoke division, working with our international partners and appointing people with genuine expertise, experience and talent. Wonderful stuff, which throws into sharp contrast how truly awful the last government had become. Of course its easier for a new government to do these things which is why we needed change. And please no more simplistic 3 word slogans on lecturns!
IMO, good as all that is, everything will depend on getting growth to pay for the desperate renewal we need. There isn't much scope or appetite for more widespread taxation or reductions in public spending - been there and done that have''t we!
Devon
I am so hoping you are correct.Vornwend said:Nanu said:It was actually a wartime Conservative-led coalition which published a 1944 white paper that set out the need for a “free” and “comprehensive” healthcare service. Labour was elected and adopted the ideaVornwend said:Is the Tory Party still a party? isn't it more accurate to call it a gathering now
Seriously though, personal greed is not how a healthy society thrives. Lazy labelling which thankfully doesn't resonate with the majority of people anymore. Talking of health, it's 76 years to the day since Labour founded the health service - something, I think we can agree, we can all be grateful for.
Nah, that's rewriting history I'm afraid, Labour's plan was very different - thankfully. If you are genuinely interested in knowing what actually happened this short article will bring you up to speed.
https://keepournhspublic.com/the-conservatives-never-were-the-party-of-the-nhs-and-history-proves-it/#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20things%20this,Willink%20plan%20(as%20it%20was
Obviously it's very, very early days but how refreshing it is to see grown up politics returning to the UK. Honesty about the probems we face, willingness to engage genuinely with all parts and sections of the country rather than continually provoke division, working with our international partners and appointing people with genuine expertise, experience and talent. Wonderful stuff, which throws into sharp contrast how truly awful the last government had become. Of course its easier for a new government to do these things which is why we needed change. And please no more simplistic 3 word slogans on lecturns!
IMO, good as all that is, everything will depend on getting growth to pay for the desperate renewal we need. There isn't much scope or appetite for more widespread taxation or reductions in public spending - been there and done that have''t we!
MikeyH said:
So do I
From what I've seen so far it's clear that Labour have been preparing for government for a long time. The changes to our planning systems announced by the new chancellor today seem quite far reaching and offer the potential to turbo charge growth. I thought it was quite revealing when she spoke about the really poor growth record we have had in this country. If it had just matched the average in the OECD countries these last 14 years the economy would have been £140 Billion larger than it is today and that would have generated £58 Billion of tax revenues. It's not surprising our taxes are so high and our public services and infrastructure so run down.
no more simplistic 3 word slogans on lecturns! Perhaps like "Smashing the gangs" when it comes to controlling immigration?
We will see where we are in 6 months time when people realise that the reforms to the planning laws means locals can no longer object to wind and solar farms being built on green belt now to be designated as grey belt. What ever happened to devolution of powers from Westminster to the regions?
One thing we do agree with is to fund Labours plans without raising taxation growth is needed. I just don't see how taxing non doms and other wealthy people driving them out of the country will help. In addition to another windfall tax on energy companies, two of the biggest producers are now diverting billions of future investment that was intended for the UK to the US and Europe instead.
I am afraid expected growth will not happen just further debt from borrowing which will result in taxation for all of us. As usual under Labour.
We will see where we are in 6 months time when people realise that the reforms to the planning laws means locals can no longer object to wind and solar farms being built on green belt now to be designated as grey belt. What ever happened to devolution of powers from Westminster to the regions?
One thing we do agree with is to fund Labours plans without raising taxation growth is needed. I just don't see how taxing non doms and other wealthy people driving them out of the country will help. In addition to another windfall tax on energy companies, two of the biggest producers are now diverting billions of future investment that was intended for the UK to the US and Europe instead.
I am afraid expected growth will not happen just further debt from borrowing which will result in taxation for all of us. As usual under Labour.
Attleborough, Norfolk
axelleveau
Member
A new hope? 
Some of us are less than 50, not defending their capitals like a dragon and happy to see some change with some plans to care for people rather than ransacking public budget to fill friends pockets...
Some of us are less than 50, not defending their capitals like a dragon and happy to see some change with some plans to care for people rather than ransacking public budget to fill friends pockets...
With the amount of time those in the public sector take off sick, I think the 4 day week has been unofficially in place for years!TitanTim said:
I remember my Godmother, who worked at the local Council, said they actually had a (unofficial, or course) 'rota' for sick days. That was back in the 1970s and 80s.
Pondrew said:With the amount of time those in the public sector take off sick, I think the 4 day week has been unofficially in place for years!TitanTim said:
I remember my Godmother, who worked at the local Council, said they actually had a (unofficial, or course) 'rota' for sick days. That was back in the 1970s and 80s.
Think I was only off sick twice but 42 years slurping tea took its toll :lol:
My old offices have been turned into fancy apartments now, minded to buy one for old times sake
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/139790801?utm_campaign=property-details&utm_content=buying&utm_medium=sharing&utm_source=copytoclipboard#/&channel=RES_BUY
Tim.
TitanTim said:Pondrew said:With the amount of time those in the public sector take off sick, I think the 4 day week has been unofficially in place for years!TitanTim said:
I remember my Godmother, who worked at the local Council, said they actually had a (unofficial, or course) 'rota' for sick days. That was back in the 1970s and 80s.
Think I was only off sick twice but 42 years slurping tea took its toll :lol:
My old offices have been turned into fancy apartments now, minded to buy one for old times sake
https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/139790801?utm_campaign=property-details&utm_content=buying&utm_medium=sharing&utm_source=copytoclipboard#/&channel=RES_BUY
Tim.
Love the high ceilings. 8)