A blessed relief
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Vornwend said:
Labour didn't win a landslide because people think they are great. They won with a landslide because the Tories fucked it all up and people have had enough. I can't believe the UK public can vote right wing one day and left wing the next, which is what has happened. It happened with Blair 30 years ago and that was an absolute disaster (which took the great British public 15 years to realise).
Yes of course we all are and hopefully sorting out the health service will be at least one good thing before he gets booted out at the next general election and then the whole sorry farce starts all over again. But tax will need to go up and would have needed to whoever won. IMO that is why he called an election early so he wouldn't have to take the blame himself.Vornwend said:pvr said:
Is the Tory Party still a party? isn't it more accurate to call it a gathering now
Seriously though, personal greed is not how a healthy society thrives. Lazy labelling which thankfully doesn't resonate with the majority of people anymore. Talking of health, it's 76 years to the day since Labour founded the health service - something, I think we can agree, we can all be grateful for.
Just seen a graphic that says Labour only inceased their share of the vote by 2%. I know that is still a lot of votes, but basically it is saying they just sat still and the Conservatives handed their votes over to smaller parties. To some extent this suggests a lot of people still didn't want Labour in, but couldn't bring themselves to keep the conservatives in power.
Oh well, onwards and sideways. :roll:
Oh well, onwards and sideways. :roll:
MikeyH said:Yes of course we all are and hopefully sorting out the health service will be at least one good thing before he gets booted out at the next general election and then the whole sorry farce starts all over again. But tax will need to go up and would have needed to whoever won. IMO that is why he called an election early so he wouldn't have to take the blame himself.Vornwend said:pvr said:
Is the Tory Party still a party? isn't it more accurate to call it a gathering now
Seriously though, personal greed is not how a healthy society thrives. Lazy labelling which thankfully doesn't resonate with the majority of people anymore. Talking of health, it's 76 years to the day since Labour founded the health service - something, I think we can agree, we can all be grateful for.
Covid and Putin are the biggest drivers for the tax burden. We all just have to suck that one up and get on with it. Riki will be off on his holidays with the family now. MrsG recons that was his reason for calling it early, as the result was inevitable any way. She may be right. Cameron started this off by allowing us to vote Brexit. The rest was a one way trip.
That is exactly what I did, after voting Tory for 38 years.enuff_zed said:
Reform (who weren't a party last week) got 15% of the vote. FIFTEEN per cent, but still only have 4 seats, as they came second in many, many seats.
Labour will be patting themselves on the back and thinking how well they have done, but the bigger picture is even more worrying than having those fuckwits in power.
Lib Dems getting 60 more seats is another indication that Labour are no more trusted than the Tories.
Millions of protest votes for LDs and Reform have handed Labour a landslide. It's way our voting system works, unfortunately.
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Labour did some good stuff last time and I'm hoping they can do so again.
[/quote]Yes they were able to write a note to the incoming Tory Government, "Good luck, there is no money left" and the NHS are still paying off the PFI contracts signed off by Gordon Brown.
My worry is Council Tax. STMBO has been looking at what Labour have done in Wales. They have revalued all the houses and if they do the same in the rest of the UK (Which they will) based on the Welsh model our council tax will almost double
[/quote]Yes they were able to write a note to the incoming Tory Government, "Good luck, there is no money left" and the NHS are still paying off the PFI contracts signed off by Gordon Brown.
My worry is Council Tax. STMBO has been looking at what Labour have done in Wales. They have revalued all the houses and if they do the same in the rest of the UK (Which they will) based on the Welsh model our council tax will almost double
It was actually a wartime Conservative-led coalition which published a 1944 white paper that set out the need for a “free” and “comprehensive” healthcare service. Labour was elected and adopted the ideaVornwend said:pvr said:
Is the Tory Party still a party? isn't it more accurate to call it a gathering now
Seriously though, personal greed is not how a healthy society thrives. Lazy labelling which thankfully doesn't resonate with the majority of people anymore. Talking of health, it's 76 years to the day since Labour founded the health service - something, I think we can agree, we can all be grateful for.
Nanu said:
Yes, 'new labour' orchestrated by the loathsome Alistair Campbell did a sterling job:
Recruited hundreds of thousands into the public sector (1 in 6 people worked for the Government under Blair), paid for by the other 5.
Stealth (hidden) taxes implemented everywhere (and of course are still there. No Government rescinds taxes that they inherit).
Bankrupted the Country even during a period of huge economic growth.
Pretended they were 'left leaning Conservatives' just to get into power (hence the New Labour mantra; all choreographed by the odious Alistair Campbell), when in reality the puppet-masters were far-left socialists.
They took the Country for a huge ride over 15 years and they are going to do it all over again. All because the current Tories have been utterly useless.
Angela Rayner has been appointed deputy PM already. Says it all for me. :x
I know, mad isn't it?Mr Tidy said:
I (and millions of others) have handed power on a plate to those cock-wombles.
And with such a massive majority, they can do whatever they like in Parliament, as there is no opposition.
I am looking to move to another Country before they de-value my house to £10 and charge me £10,000 a year for the privilege of owing it.
Don’t forget that lovely IR35 legislation that Gordon Brown came up with killing the service industry and causing companies like mine that are outside IR35 due to size and employees, to lose contracts as companies are scared into not giving contracts out except to the big Indian companies (may or may not be related to a former PM …). Liz Truss was the only one that recognised it though
enuff_zed said:
I must say that I am a little baffled by the UK (and former colonies) voting system as it is not very democratic like it is in other democracies where every vote counts. My MP is an hours drive from me, so it is hardly that I have “local” representation and certain parties I could not even vote for if I wanted.
lets be honest, this is guff that a vote for Reform let Labour in. Labour was always going to win this one, unfortunately in my view.
You could argue that a vote for Conservatives took seats away from Reform. The real winner in this election was none of the above with Labour taking only a third of the vote on a low turn out.
I consider myself lucky under the circumstances. I have cashed in my tax free lump sum, I am in receipt of my state pension and STMBO is due hers in a couple of months, so apart from the usual rises every budget, its only council tax and energy bills that can and will hurt us.
I feel sorry for those who have worked long and hard but have yet to reach retirement and pension age. They will be hit from every angle.
You could argue that a vote for Conservatives took seats away from Reform. The real winner in this election was none of the above with Labour taking only a third of the vote on a low turn out.
I consider myself lucky under the circumstances. I have cashed in my tax free lump sum, I am in receipt of my state pension and STMBO is due hers in a couple of months, so apart from the usual rises every budget, its only council tax and energy bills that can and will hurt us.
I feel sorry for those who have worked long and hard but have yet to reach retirement and pension age. They will be hit from every angle.
What they did in Wales was keep banding the same just revalue the houses as per the average prices in each post code. Also if you have done any improvements there will be a marker on your property which is taken into consideration when you sell it, or in this case gets revalued. A marker usually means at least one council tax band higher than what ever the average is.pvr said:
When pushed if they were intending to increase Council tax, Labour said they had no plans to increase the bands which some assumed no council tax rises. Unfortunately that may not be the case
