35is Pulled 15 Car Lengths on an M?

[enzed4]

Perhaps it was her 'cosoling' that made him pull over. Are you sure it was his head between his hands? We all know an ///M is a total chick magnet and we live in awe and respect of all who own one :lol:

Nah, you need an Mx5 if it's chicks your after.

... they're great if you enjoy the company of other men though

Is that a problem in your world, Ben? Bit insecure mate?

 

[ben g]

Nah, you need an Mx5 if it's chicks your after.

... they're great if you enjoy the company of other men though

Is that a problem in your world, Ben? Bit insecure mate?

Not at all, I just think they're very feminine looking cars :lol:

 

[buzyg]

... they're great if you enjoy the company of other men though

Is that a problem in your world, Ben? Bit insecure mate?

Not at all, I just think they're very feminine looking cars :lol:

Exactly why they are chick magnets.

 

[ben g]

Is that a problem in your world, Ben? Bit insecure mate?

Not at all, I just think they're very feminine looking cars :lol:

Exactly why they are chick magnets.

:lol: maybe so, but you will be friend-zoned because the female will think you like men, as above :lol:

 

[Top pup]

I wonder how healthy the average Z4M is these days? I bet a few are running closer to 300bhp than the 340 these days as a healthy one is still pretty quick.
As an example my M2 felt a bit quicker to 100mph than my Z4 but after that the Z4M is every bit as quick and actually quicker at high speeds.

 

[Argenta]

As others point out, 1. a 35iS is very often, and very easily, ’chipped’ to higher boost, and 2. the powerband for a turbo-engine is A LOT longer than that of a S54, altho the peak may be the same. As everyone who had a turbo’d car will know.

My old Fiat Coupe (5-cyl turbo) had no issues at all beating my mates Z3M Coupe (S50) despite lacking ca 40bhp in peak power.

 

[Muckinonthesofa]

As others point out, 1. a 35iS is very often, and very easily, ’chipped’ to higher boost, and 2. the powerband for a turbo-engine is A LOT longer than that of a S54, altho the peak may be the same. As everyone who had a turbo’d car will know.

My old Fiat Coupe (5-cyl turbo) had no issues at all beating my mates Z3M Coupe (S50) despite lacking ca 40bhp in peak power.

I always thought turbo charged engines had shorter powerband, coming in later and falling off towards the end of the rev range?

 

[john-e89]

As others point out, 1. a 35iS is very often, and very easily, ’chipped’ to higher boost, and 2. the powerband for a turbo-engine is A LOT longer than that of a S54, altho the peak may be the same. As everyone who had a turbo’d car will know.

My old Fiat Coupe (5-cyl turbo) had no issues at all beating my mates Z3M Coupe (S50) despite lacking ca 40bhp in peak power.

I always thought turbo charged engines had shorter powerband, coming in later and falling off towards the end of the rev range?

Ahhh...the old Escort Cosworth days...nowt until 3k revs then all done and dusted by 5.5k revs.... :lol:

Things have changed Muck, you’ve got twin scroll, variable vein turbo’s etc, now which do a great job of producing boost a lot sooner, smoother and for much longer than they used to. The 35is has two blowers which produce peak torque as low as 2.5k revs if I remember correctly, if not it’s there or thereabouts. The 718 Boxster GTS has a variable vein turbo, the compressor housing has veins that adjust according to how the boost is built, thus having the the effect of a small turbo at low revs to build boost quickly and without lag then opening up acting as a large turbo to keeper boost right up to the redline. Both cars keep boosting until the red line with virtually zero lag, in fact lag is so minute you can’t really feel any.

 

[Smartbear]

As others point out, 1. a 35iS is very often, and very easily, ’chipped’ to higher boost, and 2. the powerband for a turbo-engine is A LOT longer than that of a S54, altho the peak may be the same. As everyone who had a turbo’d car will know.

My old Fiat Coupe (5-cyl turbo) had no issues at all beating my mates Z3M Coupe (S50) despite lacking ca 40bhp in peak power.

I always thought turbo charged engines had shorter powerband, coming in later and falling off towards the end of the rev range?

Look at this for a comparison, 3.0si and the 28i z4

Rob

 

[abar121]

It's more the area under the curve, rather than length of the power band.

An S54 has good power from 3k all the way to 8k, but the area under the curve won't match one of the turbo'd sixes. The force induction is effectively giving the breathing capacity of a larger engine.

They are all quite similar in a straight line, the figures are out there.

This is the US S54 Z4M with restrictive headers compared to the Z4 3.0si N52 and 3.0i M54, all on the same dyno.

 

[buzyg]

As others point out, 1. a 35iS is very often, and very easily, ’chipped’ to higher boost, and 2. the powerband for a turbo-engine is A LOT longer than that of a S54, altho the peak may be the same. As everyone who had a turbo’d car will know.

My old Fiat Coupe (5-cyl turbo) had no issues at all beating my mates Z3M Coupe (S50) despite lacking ca 40bhp in peak power.

Oh the old 5 pot. Now that could pull. Used to love destroying scoobys . M3s got a serious shock too. :wink:

 

[Muckinonthesofa]

As others point out, 1. a 35iS is very often, and very easily, ’chipped’ to higher boost, and 2. the powerband for a turbo-engine is A LOT longer than that of a S54, altho the peak may be the same. As everyone who had a turbo’d car will know.

My old Fiat Coupe (5-cyl turbo) had no issues at all beating my mates Z3M Coupe (S50) despite lacking ca 40bhp in peak power.

I always thought turbo charged engines had shorter powerband, coming in later and falling off towards the end of the rev range?

Ahhh...the old Escort Cosworth days...nowt until 3k revs then all done and dusted by 5.5k revs.... :lol:

Things have changed Muck, you’ve got twin scroll, variable vein turbo’s etc, now which do a great job of producing boost a lot sooner, smoother and for much longer than they used to. The 35is has two blowers which produce peak torque as low as 2.5k revs if I remember correctly, if not it’s there or thereabouts. The 718 Boxster GTS has a variable vein turbo, the compressor housing has veins that adjust according to how the boost is built, thus having the the effect of a small turbo at low revs to build boost quickly and without lag then opening up acting as a large turbo to keeper boost right up to the redline. Both cars keep boosting until the red line with virtually zero lag, in fact lag is so minute you can’t really feel any.

Yeah, fair enough John

My twin sequential turbo FD3 RX7 had a broad powerband but that was due to the quite unusual (for that time) set up. I have very fond memories of that car, mpg and reliability notwithstanding

 

[Muckinonthesofa]

As others point out, 1. a 35iS is very often, and very easily, ’chipped’ to higher boost, and 2. the powerband for a turbo-engine is A LOT longer than that of a S54, altho the peak may be the same. As everyone who had a turbo’d car will know.

My old Fiat Coupe (5-cyl turbo) had no issues at all beating my mates Z3M Coupe (S50) despite lacking ca 40bhp in peak power.

Oh the old 5 pot. Now that could pull. Used to love destroying scoobys . M3s got a serious shock too. :wink:

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Loved the Fiat Coupe 5 cylinder turbo. I had a volvo t5 a while back, great engine as well.

 

[DPG]

As others point out, 1. a 35iS is very often, and very easily, ’chipped’ to higher boost, and 2. the powerband for a turbo-engine is A LOT longer than that of a S54, altho the peak may be the same. As everyone who had a turbo’d car will know.

My old Fiat Coupe (5-cyl turbo) had no issues at all beating my mates Z3M Coupe (S50) despite lacking ca 40bhp in peak power.

Oh the old 5 pot. Now that could pull. Used to love destroying scoobys . M3s got a serious shock too. :wink:

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Loved the Fiat Coupe 5 cylinder turbo. I had a volvo t5 a while back, great engine as well.

One ugly car though.

 

[mr wilks]

Oh the old 5 pot. Now that could pull. Used to love destroying scoobys . M3s got a serious shock too. :wink:

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Loved the Fiat Coupe 5 cylinder turbo. I had a volvo t5 a while back, great engine as well.

One ugly car though.

I keep looking at it & wonder where the designer started with that :? i'm thinking he was having a morning coffee while perusing a magazine article showing the front of a 8o,s Nissan 300ZX , all good there he then trots off for a boozy lunch which ran into a major evening session leaving him to resume his design task the following day with a monstrous hangover
i struggle to think up a worse looking coupe

 

[buzyg]

Loved the Fiat Coupe 5 cylinder turbo. I had a volvo t5 a while back, great engine as well.

One ugly car though.

I keep looking at it & wonder where the designer started with that :? i'm thinking he was having a morning coffee while perusing a magazine article showing the front of a 8o,s Nissan 300ZX , all good there he then trots off for a boozy lunch which ran into a major evening session leaving him to resume his design task the following day with a monstrous hangover
i struggle to think up a worse looking coupe

:lol: Your driving one around now Mr Wilks. a 911 is a thing I will never own, due mainly to it"s old fashioned look.

In fact I have a model and pic of my Fiat, it has pride of place in the lounge. Pic from the day I picked it up 18 years ago.



No Zed there either . Beauty is in the eye of the beholder Mr W :wink:

Now where are me specs. :lol:

 

[Smartbear]

One ugly car though.

I keep looking at it & wonder where the designer started with that :? i'm thinking he was having a morning coffee while perusing a magazine article showing the front of a 8o,s Nissan 300ZX , all good there he then trots off for a boozy lunch which ran into a major evening session leaving him to resume his design task the following day with a monstrous hangover
i struggle to think up a worse looking coupe

:lol: Your driving one around now Mr Wilks. a 911 is a thing I will never own, due mainly to it"s old fashioned look.

In fact I have a model and pic of my Fiat, it has pride of place in the lounge. Pic from the day I picked it up 18 years ago.

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No Zed there either . Beauty is in the eye of the beholder Mr W :wink:

Now where are me specs. :lol:

Looks like one of my brothers is waving at me there
Rob

 

[buzyg]

I keep looking at it & wonder where the designer started with that :? i'm thinking he was having a morning coffee while perusing a magazine article showing the front of a 8o,s Nissan 300ZX , all good there he then trots off for a boozy lunch which ran into a major evening session leaving him to resume his design task the following day with a monstrous hangover
i struggle to think up a worse looking coupe

:lol: Your driving one around now Mr Wilks. a 911 is a thing I will never own, due mainly to it"s old fashioned look.

In fact I have a model and pic of my Fiat, it has pride of place in the lounge. Pic from the day I picked it up 18 years ago.

IMG_20190820_195344.jpg

No Zed there either . Beauty is in the eye of the beholder Mr W :wink:

Now where are me specs. :lol:

Looks like one of my brothers is waving at me there
Rob

:lol: Unfortunately he waved at Medusa first.

 

[wspohn]

I always thought turbo charged engines had shorter powerband, coming in later and falling off towards the end of the rev range?

A turbo with a properly sized turbocharger will have close to instant torque, and will taper the power off in the top end as you reach the envelope of flow for the turbo. The good news is that with a well selected set of gear ratios, you just shift and drop right down on the torque peak in the next gear.

My other street sports car, a mildly modified Pontiac GXP 2.0 is faster than my Z4MC (0-60 = 4.2 secs, 1/4 mile = 12.9, 375 bhp/375 Tq - about 500 nm). With the modern twin scroll turbos, properly sized, lag is pretty much a non-issue.

I drove a BMW 2002 turbo back in the day, and the lag was so bad that you had to floor the accelerator as you entered a turn, the instant you were off the brakes, so that the boost would kick in as you exited!

PS - the Solstice lacks the glorious experience of running an S54 up to red line, a pleasure not to be taken lightly!

 

[Argenta]

One ugly car though.

I keep looking at it & wonder where the designer started with that :? i'm thinking he was having a morning coffee while perusing a magazine article showing the front of a 8o,s Nissan 300ZX , all good there he then trots off for a boozy lunch which ran into a major evening session leaving him to resume his design task the following day with a monstrous hangover
i struggle to think up a worse looking coupe

:lol: Your driving one around now Mr Wilks. a 911 is a thing I will never own, due mainly to it"s old fashioned look.

In fact I have a model and pic of my Fiat, it has pride of place in the lounge. Pic from the day I picked it up 18 years ago.

IMG_20190820_195344.jpg

No Zed there either . Beauty is in the eye of the beholder Mr W :wink:

Now where are me specs. :lol:

So true. Always loved the simple genius design of that car, how the splitlines are hidden, how great the aero is worked out (yes really) and how it also fits 4 people with ease. But hey, actually working with automotive design may make me view cars differently?

IMHO it did need a little lowering and a little bigger wheels - not that it was a difficult mod!