35is Pulled 15 Car Lengths on an M?

[-Tom-]

0.4s difference, where the manual Z4M was driven by a professional driver at the strip.
There is much less variance in drag times for an Auto vs the manual which depends on the driver

Sooooo you were hitting speeds much higher than 0-60 I’m guessing?

I could not see the speedo as my mate was driving. All I could see was the Z4M driver behind us with his head between his hands after defeat, and his misses consoling him

She was probably hitting him round the head ... probably why he eased off oke:

 

[-Tom-]

0.4s difference, where the manual Z4M was driven by a professional driver at the strip.
There is much less variance in drag times for an Auto vs the manual which depends on the driver

Sooooo you were hitting speeds much higher than 0-60 I’m guessing?

I could not see the speedo as my mate was driving. All I could see was the Z4M driver behind us with his head between his hands after defeat, and his misses consoling him

It’s probably about right if you’re going north of the speeds you get at 1/4 mile. :!:

 

[mr wilks]

Not sure why some find the claim so surprising :? id like to see the actual distance difference but In real world drivers ( ie most of us on the forum ) id wager my weeks wages on beating a ZM to 60 in a Z Si auto :wink: & a months wages on doing it with a 35is
As z4m-2006 already stated above , the S54 really needs to be worked hard to get a buzz on & getting to 60 fast isn't the easiest of cars to achieve it with .
With a DCT any numpty just floors it & hangs on to the wheel with torque & turbos how will your average clutch & 6 speed match that

 

[Chippie]

With a DCT any numpty just floors it & hangs on to the wheel with torque & turbos how will your average clutch & 6 speed match that

Not having raced a z4m, I must admit that with the DCT transmission certainly in sport mode is very quick and doesn’t require any skill in getting the best from it and as said is simply a question of hanging on, although I must also admit I do find it an absolute pleasure to drive

 

[john-e89]

With a DCT any numpty just floors it & hangs on to the wheel with torque & turbos how will your average clutch & 6 speed match that

Not having raced a z4m, I must admit that with the DCT transmission certainly in sport mode is very quick and doesn’t require any skill in getting the best from it and as said is simply a question of hanging on, although I must also admit I do find it an absolute pleasure to drive

You have to hang on in the bends as it’s an absolute cowbag off a straight line...... :lol:

 

[john-e89]

Good thing is though both cars can be made better if that’s what you want. Personally I wouldn’t do anything to the M engine, it’s too awesome to muck about with with superchargers unless you want mega power, best left stock imo but fiddle with the geo, springs, struts, bushes, mounts etc etc, we all know the route. Not been there yet myself but it would seem you can do something decent to the E89 too, M3 arms, anti roll bars, springs struts etc.

Makes for an interesting hobby, I like upgrading and both cars respond well to it, win win which ever car you want I reckon. :driving:

 

[Smartbear]

With a DCT any numpty just floors it & hangs on to the wheel with torque & turbos how will your average clutch & 6 speed match that

Not having raced a z4m, I must admit that with the DCT transmission certainly in sport mode is very quick and doesn’t require any skill in getting the best from it and as said is simply a question of hanging on, although I must also admit I do find it an absolute pleasure to drive

You have to hang on in the bends as it’s an absolute cowbag off a straight line...... :lol:

That must be what the “S” in s-drive stands for?
Scary
Rob

 

[Gazza51]

15 car lengths tells everything, the ///M wasn’t trying.

I would say both cars are comparable, I have a 335i E93 so I can compare.

 

[buzyg]

Coming home from Tavistock this evening I had a Ford Focus RS behind me. I floored it through the Twisties to Gunnislake. Actually managed to pull away a good few car lengths. :driving:

Halereous thing was, I was driving my Mazda2. :lol: :rofl: Enough said. :wink:

 

[road warrior]

So Erm.. How would those two fair against a supercharged zeds?

 

[Smartbear]

So Erm.. How would those two fair against a supercharged zeds?

What model zed & how much extra power does the supercharger give? :?
Rob

 

[road warrior]

So Erm.. How would those two fair against a supercharged zeds?

What model zed & how much extra power does the supercharger give? :?
Rob

I was rather hoping someone might know that, it's a generic question really
Naturally aspirated Vs turbo Vs supercharged
As na Vs turbo will have differrant powerbands and supercharged will be pretty constant like na.

 

[Lower]

All I could see was the Z4M driver behind us with his head between his hands after defeat, and his misses consoling him

I call bullshit on it ever having happened.

 

[enzed4]

... All I could see was the Z4M driver behind us with his head between his hands after defeat, and his misses consoling him

Perhaps it was her 'consoling' that made him pull over. Are you sure it was his head between his hands? We all know an ///M is a total chick magnet and we live in awe and respect of all who own one :lol:

 

[enuff_zed]

Each to their own, and I accept some people enjoy going fast in a straight line, although it must be more fun to do it yourself instead of being the passenger??

Personally (and this is only my take on it) I would much rather get to the end of a twisty road, never having gone above 50 or 60 mph, and know that it was the best I could do to get from that particular A to B. Balancing all the available dynamics seems much more rewarding than putting my foot on the floor and letting an electronically governed auto lose my licence for me.

But that's just me

 

[enzed4]

Each to their own, and I accept some people enjoy going fast in a straight line, although it must be more fun to do it yourself instead of being the passenger??

Personally (and this is only my take on it) I would much rather get to the end of a twisty road, never having gone above 50 or 60 mph, and know that it was the best I could do to get from that particular A to B. Balancing all the available dynamics seems much more rewarding than putting my foot on the floor and letting an electronically governed auto lose my licence for me.

But that's just me

Well said, and this is exactly why the MX-5 is the best selling 2 seat sports car of all time. (okay, price not withstanding...)
It's not always about the power (unless you're in the US )

 

[Ewazix]

All I could see was the Z4M driver behind us with his head between his hands after defeat, and his misses consoling him

I call bullshit on it ever having happened.

:rofl:

 

[Ed Doe]

So hold on. You're surprised that a 335hp turbocharged car with a full 100ft-lbs more peak torque than a 338hp z4m, and a far far higher torque curve across the rev band was quicker from a rolling start? Not to mention the dct box with 7 shorter ratios). I don't for a second doubt it would be quicker in a straight line - the S54 is 19 years old - the car industry has taken leaps forward in the intervening years, the z4m just isn't that quick a car anymore. Most of the current crop of 4 banger hot hatches are quicker in a sprint.

For me at least that whole thing has never been what the M is about - you don't buy a 15 year old car with a highly strung na engine to race cars on the motorway. And I guess therein lies the crux of this - if you want to mince about in relative comfort with the roof down and feel a chunky torque rich engine shoving the car forward - get an e89. If you want to work hard to get the thrills, in an old car, with a relatively harsh suspension setup and an engine that doesn't get going till you're really up it - get an M. For me it was never a question, just don't expect me to piss about racing you down a slip road :lol:

 

[BMWZ4MC]

So Erm.. How would those two fair against a supercharged zeds?

What model zed & how much extra power does the supercharger give? :?
Rob

I was rather hoping someone might know that, it's a generic question really
Naturally aspirated Vs turbo Vs supercharged
As na Vs turbo will have differrant powerbands and supercharged will be pretty constant like na.

An ///M with a stage II ESS supercharger should produce about 525 bhp / 460 Nm (vs 335 bhp and 450 Nm for a stock 35is).

 

[BMWZ4MC]

So hold on. You're surprised that a 335hp turbocharged car with a full 100ft-lbs more peak torque than a 338hp z4m, and a far far higher torque curve across the rev band was quicker from a rolling start? Not to mention the dct box with 7 shorter ratios). I don't for a second doubt it would be quicker in a straight line - the S54 is 19 years old - the car industry has taken leaps forward in the intervening years, the z4m just isn't that quick a car anymore. Most of the current crop of 4 banger hot hatches are quicker in a sprint.

For me at least that whole thing has never been what the M is about - you don't buy a 15 year old car with a highly strung na engine to race cars on the motorway. And I guess therein lies the crux of this - if you want to mince about in relative comfort with the roof down and feel a chunky torque rich engine shoving the car forward - get an e89. If you want to work hard to get the thrills, in an old car, with a relatively harsh suspension setup and an engine that doesn't get going till you're really up it - get an M. For me it was never a question, just don't expect me to piss about racing you down a slip road :lol:

I could have put it better (except I’d probably be sucked into racing down the slip road :lol: )