30i Prices

[mr wilks]

. However, while many cars have flown off the shelves in recent weeks /months this one will celebrate its 7th month of being on sale this Saturday. There can only be one reason it hasn’t sold and that’s down to it’s valuation.

Hence it does seem a rather odd idea to flag this one up to me given the whole thread is based on my ranting and throwing my toys out of the pram over pricing.

Not wanting a particular colour is totally understandable & I get that & not wishing to pick arguments or teach anyone how to suck eggs but you appear to be chasing your own tail in this search :?
You're seeing cars for sale & not pursuing as you deem them "overpriced" which many most likely are which the owners eventually realise & lower to the point they attract attention & sell before you get your chance to consider whether or not you are being fleeced , that's OK in a slow or falling market but the last 6 weeks has been anything but that hence your current problem of finding a suitable car for your intended spend.
As for your comments on Pineapples 89, it's been up through Xmas & a pandemic for most of the time at a far more expensive ask than it is now :wink: I guess very soon the price will meet demand or be reduced until it does at which point it will be SOLD no doubt for a figure you would have considered OK :roll:
Good luck hunting

 

[Argyll Andy]

An option maybe for this community is to encourage members to pop down the road to any Zs that forum punters are interested as a local resource / competent assessor to allow an assessment / liaison / photos etc..

I would quite fancy a drive out in that basis..

as the Blues Brothers said ‘ I’m on a mission from god’. My lower case spelling of god..

I think that’s a great suggestion and not taking it away from the OP’s plight but for many members, including me personally, someone who’s likely to be pretty knowledgeable and maybe only 20 mins away going to give a car a once over and initial drive providing feedback could be a godsend.

It may very well give prospective new buyers the confidence knowing it’s ok to proceed with a deposit/purchase without seeing the car or having a wasted journey

I did the next best thing and bought a forum car unseen from a trusted, long-standing member so could ‘review’ the car to a good degree via the forum.

 

[Big Bad Boris]

. However, while many cars have flown off the shelves in recent weeks /months this one will celebrate its 7th month of being on sale this Saturday. There can only be one reason it hasn’t sold and that’s down to it’s valuation.

Hence it does seem a rather odd idea to flag this one up to me given the whole thread is based on my ranting and throwing my toys out of the pram over pricing.

Not wanting a particular colour is totally understandable & I get that & not wishing to pick arguments or teach anyone how to suck eggs but you appear to be chasing your own tail in this search :?
You're seeing cars for sale & not pursuing as you deem them "overpriced" which many most likely are which the owners eventually realise & lower to the point they attract attention & sell before you get your chance to consider whether or not you are being fleeced , that's OK in a slow or falling market but the last 6 weeks has been anything but that hence your current problem of finding a suitable car for your intended spend.
As for your comments on Pineapples 89, it's been up through Xmas & a pandemic for most of the time at a far more expensive ask than it is now :wink: I guess very soon the price will meet demand or be reduced until it does at which point it will be SOLD no doubt for a figure you would have considered OK :roll:
Good luck hunting

Don’t want to pick a fight with a legend. But your interpretation of what I am saying and doing is incorrect, I am not “seeing cars for sale & not pursuing as you deem them "overpriced". You may want to re-read my post, what I said was I am seeing well priced cars snapped up and then re-sold for what I then see as an inflated price. The silver one I mentioned is the prime example (of many). It sold in Sunday afternoon for a max of £9k then was on a dealers forecourt Tuesday morning for £12k, that is what I am objecting to.

 

[Silverstar]

An option maybe for this community is to encourage members to pop down the road to any Zs that forum punters are interested as a local resource / competent assessor to allow an assessment / liaison / photos etc..

I would quite fancy a drive out in that basis..

as the Blues Brothers said ‘ I’m on a mission from god’. My lower case spelling of god..

I think that’s a great suggestion and not taking it away from the OP’s plight but for many members, including me personally, someone who’s likely to be pretty knowledgeable and maybe only 20 mins away going to give a car a once over and initial drive providing feedback could be a godsend.

It may very well give prospective new buyers the confidence knowing it’s ok to proceed with a deposit/purchase without seeing the car or having a wasted journey

I did the next best thing and bought a forum car unseen from a trusted, long-standing member so could ‘review’ the car to a good degree via the forum.

When I was dealing cars I used to have a buyer who would sometimes buy cars for me at auction when I couldn't get there myself. He would be my eyes and ears so to speak. One day he bought me a 7 seater Toyota Picnic, only to tell me sometime after the hammer went down (by which time it's too late to back out of the sale) that the all essential last row of seats were missing! I had fun and games trying to recover those seats!

 

[PinkPineapple44]

Newsflash
CAR DEALER ADVERTISES CAR FOR MORE THAN THEY PAID

whaaaaaat

Good luck with your quest Boris , if you want possibly the best (not cheapest) 30i currently available take a peek in the forum classifieds at "pink pineapples".
https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=119561

I did see this one when it came up, ok time to offend a few, but i’m not a big fan of the white Z4. No need to get enraged, I know many of you own them, we all know such matters are 100% personal choice. No need to post to tell me why they are they are the best, I get it... White Cars Matter

Also probably going to offend PP now, and PP absolutely no offence is meant here. The car is a great example, it appears to be in pretty much perfect condition in every respect. However, while many cars have flown off the shelves in recent weeks /months this one will celebrate its 7th month of being on sale this Saturday. There can only be one reason it hasn’t sold and that’s down to it’s valuation.

Hence it does seem a rather odd idea to flag this one up to me given the whole thread is based on my ranting and throwing my toys out of the pram over pricing.

I am offended! White IS the best :telloff:

In all seriousness though, I am fully aware my car is on the pricier side of the E89 market but I do feel it's up there for a good reason...hasn't been the best of times to sell a car though :roll:

I'm a reasonable guy but the majority of what I've had to deal with have all wanted something for nothing.

 

[Argyll Andy]

An option maybe for this community is to encourage members to pop down the road to any Zs that forum punters are interested as a local resource / competent assessor to allow an assessment / liaison / photos etc..

I would quite fancy a drive out in that basis..

as the Blues Brothers said ‘ I’m on a mission from god’. My lower case spelling of god..

I think that’s a great suggestion and not taking it away from the OP’s plight but for many members, including me personally, someone who’s likely to be pretty knowledgeable and maybe only 20 mins away going to give a car a once over and initial drive providing feedback could be a godsend.

It may very well give prospective new buyers the confidence knowing it’s ok to proceed with a deposit/purchase without seeing the car or having a wasted journey

I did the next best thing and bought a forum car unseen from a trusted, long-standing member so could ‘review’ the car to a good degree via the forum.

When I was dealing cars I used to have a buyer who would sometimes buy cars for me at auction when I couldn't get there myself. He would be my eyes and ears so to speak. One day he bought me a 7 seater Toyota Picnic, only to tell me sometime after the hammer went down (by which time it's too late to back out of the sale) that the all essential last row of seats were missing! I had fun and games trying to recover those seats!

Well we can be pretty sure that’s not going to be a issue with any Zed looked at on someone’s behalf

On a more serious note I was wondering if the auction situation is partly what’s causing Boris’ problem.

Because auctions are either not happening and/or main dealers aren’t putting stock through them independent dealers are sourcing most, if not all, their stock via classified and still putting the same mark up on private sales therefore by paying more initially its resulting in higher ticket prices.

 

[Steve Page]

An option maybe for this community is to encourage members to pop down the road to any Zs that forum punters are interested as a local resource / competent assessor to allow an assessment / liaison / photos etc..
I would quite fancy a drive out in that basis..
as the Blues Brothers said ‘ I’m on a mission from god’. My lower case spelling of god..

That is a good idea.
Anyone in the Notts area (Sutton in Ashfield to be precise) fancy looking at the one I'm interested in ? For petrol/beer money of course!

 

[mr wilks]

. However, while many cars have flown off the shelves in recent weeks /months this one will celebrate its 7th month of being on sale this Saturday. There can only be one reason it hasn’t sold and that’s down to it’s valuation.

Hence it does seem a rather odd idea to flag this one up to me given the whole thread is based on my ranting and throwing my toys out of the pram over pricing.

Not wanting a particular colour is totally understandable & I get that & not wishing to pick arguments or teach anyone how to suck eggs but you appear to be chasing your own tail in this search :?
You're seeing cars for sale & not pursuing as you deem them "overpriced" which many most likely are which the owners eventually realise & lower to the point they attract attention & sell before you get your chance to consider whether or not you are being fleeced , that's OK in a slow or falling market but the last 6 weeks has been anything but that hence your current problem of finding a suitable car for your intended spend.
As for your comments on Pineapples 89, it's been up through Xmas & a pandemic for most of the time at a far more expensive ask than it is now :wink: I guess very soon the price will meet demand or be reduced until it does at which point it will be SOLD no doubt for a figure you would have considered OK :roll:
Good luck hunting

Don’t want to pick a fight with a legend. But your interpretation of what I am saying and doing is incorrect, I am not “seeing cars for sale & not pursuing as you deem them "overpriced". You may want to re-read my post, what I said was I am seeing well priced cars snapped up and then re-sold for what I then see as an inflated price. The silver one I mentioned is the prime example (of many). It sold in Sunday afternoon for a max of £9k then was on a dealers forecourt Tuesday morning for £12k, that is what I am objecting to.

It's more about how we each see the market I guess & simplified you could list 3 categories of pricing
1) high - dealer priced
2) mid - private sale
3) low - private sale

Now when you notice that no3 is becoming no1 that should tell you it was cheaper than its real worth & as a private buyer off private seller you should be aiming for no2 but hoping for no1

 

[Silverstar]

On a more serious note I was wondering if the auction situation is partly what’s causing Boris’ problem.

Because auctions are either not happening and/or main dealers aren’t putting stock through them independent dealers are sourcing most, if not all, their stock via classified and still putting the same mark up on private sales therefore by paying more initially its resulting in higher ticket prices.

Interesting what you say. I just had a look on BCA website and looking at the centre that I normally keep an eye on, it looks like they have a little less cars then usual but not drastically so. Interestingly there are 16 Z4s coming up in my search 4 E85s 9 E89s and 2 G29s including a M40i. Of the E89s there are 7 20i and 3 23i including a 2010 17,000 miler 23i and an Atacama yellow 20i but no 30i. If anyone's interested there are some tasty cars going soon including A Cayman, 911 and an Aston Martin Vantage. The number of Z4s coming up in the search is pretty much how many there have been in the past.

 

[Silverstar]

It's more about how we each see the market I guess & simplified you could list 3 categories of pricing
1) high - dealer priced
2) mid - private sale
3) low - private sale

Now when you notice that no3 is becoming no1 that should tell you it was cheaper than its real worth & as a private buyer off private seller you should be aiming for no2 but hoping for no1

I have to agree with this, if a car is getting snapped up quickly by a dealer it means it was too cheap to begin with (for retail / private sale). Dealers are not going to pay over the odds especially if just putting the car into stock and waiting for a buyer to come along. The only time I paid over the odds buying from a private seller was when I had a confirmed buyer on the other end and I knew I could shift the car immediately.

Boris one tip I would give, if you are trying to beat the dealers to the punch, forget about asking the buyer to send copies of the service history etc. that takes up precious time, of course you should ask about what type of history there is and some essential questions and make judgement based on the sellers answers. If you like what you hear get yourself in front the car in person and then look physically at the history etc. the idea is to be the first one in front of the car. Whenever I bought from a private seller I never bothered asking for copies of anything I made a decision based on a couple of answers the seller gave and I would be standing in front of the car that same day in most occasions.

 

[Anonymous]

It's more about how we each see the market I guess & simplified you could list 3 categories of pricing
1) high - dealer priced
2) mid - private sale
3) low - private sale

Now when you notice that no3 is becoming no1 that should tell you it was cheaper than its real worth & as a private buyer off private seller you should be aiming for no2 but hoping for no1

I have to agree with this, if a car is getting snapped up quickly by a dealer it means it was too cheap to begin with (for retail / private sale). Dealers are not going to pay over the odds especially if just putting the car into stock and waiting for a buyer to come along. The only time I paid over the odds buying from a private seller was when I had a confirmed buyer on the other end and I knew I could shift the car immediately.

Boris one tip I would give, if you are trying to beat the dealers to the punch, forget about asking the buyer to send copies of the service history etc. that takes up precious time, of course you should ask about what type of history there is and some essential questions and make judgement based on the sellers answers. If you like what you hear get yourself in front the car in person and then look physically at the history etc. the idea is to be the first one in front of the car. Whenever I bought from a private seller I never bothered asking for copies of anything I made a decision based on a couple of answers the seller gave and I would be standing in front of the car that same day in most occasions.

That'sa a good tip..back in 2017 when I was on the hunt the same thing on a more modest scale happened to me..I kept losing the 'good ones' as i guess I appeared as just another tyre kicker with all my pedantic questions..as hasd been said, depends on the state of the market, seems like its buyers who have to try, I'm still suprised..early COVID I looked at a BMW 4 Series Grand Coupe and was focussed on a certain colour..I even booked and appoinment and then went to see it only to be told it was sold and they never bothered telling me..if its a popular price/colour etc you have to move fast..I waited 4 days between booking an appointment and travelling and there you go...actually they probably did me a favour as it saved me from 3-4 years of PCP!

 

[mcbutler]

It's more about how we each see the market I guess & simplified you could list 3 categories of pricing
1) high - dealer priced
2) mid - private sale
3) low - private sale

Now when you notice that no3 is becoming no1 that should tell you it was cheaper than its real worth & as a private buyer off private seller you should be aiming for no2 but hoping for no1

I have to agree with this, if a car is getting snapped up quickly by a dealer it means it was too cheap to begin with (for retail / private sale). Dealers are not going to pay over the odds especially if just putting the car into stock and waiting for a buyer to come along. The only time I paid over the odds buying from a private seller was when I had a confirmed buyer on the other end and I knew I could shift the car immediately.

Boris one tip I would give, if you are trying to beat the dealers to the punch, forget about asking the buyer to send copies of the service history etc. that takes up precious time, of course you should ask about what type of history there is and some essential questions and make judgement based on the sellers answers. If you like what you hear get yourself in front the car in person and then look physically at the history etc. the idea is to be the first one in front of the car. Whenever I bought from a private seller I never bothered asking for copies of anything I made a decision based on a couple of answers the seller gave and I would be standing in front of the car that same day in most occasions.

That'sa a good tip..back in 2017 when I was on the hunt the same thing on a more modest scale happened to me..I kept losing the 'good ones' as i guess I appeared as just another tyre kicker with all my pedantic questions..as hasd been said, depends on the state of the market, seems like its buyers who have to try, I'm still suprised..early COVID I looked at a BMW 4 Series Grand Coupe and was focussed on a certain colour..I even booked and appoinment and then went to see it only to be told it was sold and they never bothered telling me..if its a popular price/colour etc you have to move fast..I waited 4 days between booking an appointment and travelling and there you go...actually they probably did me a favour as it saved me from 3-4 years of PCP!

It may well become a sellers market over the next few years as numbers of good cars diminish. Just had a look on 'howmanyleft' website, only around 250/300 35i left in the UK!!!!!!!!

 

[SV8Predator]

Just had a look on 'howmanyleft' website, only around 250/300 35i left in the UK!!!!!!!!

And completely inaccurate of course.

 

[mcbutler]

Just had a look on 'howmanyleft' website, only around 250/300 35i left in the UK!!!!!!!!

And completely inaccurate of course.

Accuracy is approximate for sure and it states that clearly on the website, but 'completely' innacurate! That means its a guess which it is not......
Total E89 (all variants) UK build volume was 118,444 from 2009 -2016.

 

[mr wilks]

Just had a look on 'howmanyleft' website, only around 250/300 35i left in the UK!!!!!!!!

And completely inaccurate of course.

Accuracy is approximate for sure and it states that clearly on the website, but 'completely' innacurate! That means its a guess which it is not......
Total E89 (all variants) UK build volume was 118,444 from 2009 -2016.

Surely that tells you how wildly inaccurate the site is :? you accept that there are 118,444 E89s in the UK but think only 250-300 of those are 35i i doubt either of those figures are true , that would mean UK sales averaged almost 17,ooo per year more likely the total units of E89s worldwide is 118,444

 

[Tinker15]

more likely the total units of E89s worldwide is 118,444

That is the figure given by Wikipedia for worldwide sales.

Year Total
2009 22,761
2010 24,575
2011 18,809
2012 15,249
2013 12,866
2014 10,802
2015 7,950
2016 5,432
Total: 118,444

 

[mcbutler]

more likely the total units of E89s worldwide is 118,444

That is the figure given by Wikipedia for worldwide sales.

Year Total
2009 22,761
2010 24,575
2011 18,809
2012 15,249
2013 12,866
2014 10,802
2015 7,950
2016 5,432
Total: 118,444

Nicely spotted Tinker, will pay more attention next time, now lets see if we can find figures for UK sales......???

 

[mcbutler]

EUROPE SALES, all variants https://carsalesbase.com/europe-bmw-z4/

2009 figures will include some E85's

2016 3.006
2015 4.093
2014 5.373
2013 5.970
2012 7.508
2011 9.417
2010 13.153
2009 13.497

Total 62,017

 

[MACK]

EUROPE SALES, all variants https://carsalesbase.com/europe-bmw-z4/

2009 figures will include some E85's

2016 3.006
2015 4.093
2014 5.373
2013 5.970
2012 7.508
2011 9.417
2010 13.153
2009 13.497

Total 62,017

I wonder how E89 sales compared to the competition's over the same period.

 

[mcbutler]

EUROPE SALES, all variants https://carsalesbase.com/europe-bmw-z4/

2009 figures will include some E85's

2016 3.006
2015 4.093
2014 5.373
2013 5.970
2012 7.508
2011 9.417
2010 13.153
2009 13.497

Total 62,017

I wonder how E89 sales compared to the competition's over the same period.

Good question, interestingly UK sales were far higher than US sales!! I have asked DVLA if they will provide a number of 35i cars registered in the UK. See what they say, if anything..