3.5iS- will this be a classic?
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GuidoK said:
Apologies mixed up the global figures with UK. Irregardless its still double the amount.
Track tests and times by pro drivers below: (I can only assume they used stock tyres, ie run flats on the 35is). Cars are tested in stock production form for fair comparison typically.
How do you know? any proof of that?sunnydays said:
How do you know? any proof of that?
How do you know? any proof of that?
You dont even have dates on when those times where set. Like I said if one time is of 2007 and the other one from 2014 the change in tyre tech is enormous.
There is also no indication or notes about track conditions etc.
You see where I'm getting to?
To lay an important (or at least outspoken) claim like that to have any real life meaning there are a lot of variables to be determined.
Its not as easy as some fact like how many are there on the road registred, as that truely is a number that is very easily verified (in the UK at least)
Would anyone care to guess exactly how many f*cks I give about whether a 35is is faster than my car ? This whole conversation has turned into a waste of internet.
The 35is may become sought after in the future, after all at one time the e30 was just another 3 series. The e85 Ms may become classics because of that engine being the last NA straight 6 M engine, the Bangle design heritage, the 'raw' driving experience and their rarity. And it's generally acknowledged that the MC will get there first - the Z3 M coupe market is a good indicator.
However the e89 will not become a classic because it *might* be faster in the right hands, is a bit comfier and has a few more toys than the M. That's a ridiculous assertion and is a misuse of forum server space.
JMO, of course
The 35is may become sought after in the future, after all at one time the e30 was just another 3 series. The e85 Ms may become classics because of that engine being the last NA straight 6 M engine, the Bangle design heritage, the 'raw' driving experience and their rarity. And it's generally acknowledged that the MC will get there first - the Z3 M coupe market is a good indicator.
However the e89 will not become a classic because it *might* be faster in the right hands, is a bit comfier and has a few more toys than the M. That's a ridiculous assertion and is a misuse of forum server space.
JMO, of course
GuidoK said:
Ultimately this is the data we have for any sort of indication of performance. It is typically standard procedure to test cars in stock form round tracks when measuring there performance. Ie the production version, thus why the 2016 Honda Type R time round the ring was removed at one point (using non production tyres) and many others have had the same fate. Its unreallistic to expect these cars to be tested on the latest tyres, its production car vs production car. Stock vs stock, and I understand what you are saying regarding track conditions etc, unfortunately there is not much data for the 35is, but the results I have seen are faster than the Z4M. It should come as no surpise that the newer car outperforms the older model. We can only go by the data we have and logical analysis. Its likely that the new G29 range topping Z4 will spank the 35is, its natural progression in cars. It just irks me more than anything when I see Z4M owners proclaiming that the Z4M is a track warrior and refuting the fact the 35is is a higher performing car. Both are good cars dont get me wrong, but the Z4M seems to have this strange following in which its owners seem to think because its an 'M' that it is faster than the new Z4.
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PerryGunn said:Let's attempt to calculate that for you....Bing said:
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I think this is spot onBing said:Would anyone care to guess exactly how many f*cks I give about whether a 35is is faster than my car ? This whole conversation has turned into a waste of internet.
The 35is may become sought after in the future, after all at one time the e30 was just another 3 series. The e85 Ms may become classics because of that engine being the last NA straight 6 M engine, the Bangle design heritage, the 'raw' driving experience and their rarity. And it's generally acknowledged that the MC will get there first - the Z3 M coupe market is a good indicator.
However the e89 will not become a classic because it *might* be faster in the right hands, is a bit comfier and has a few more toys than the M. That's a ridiculous assertion and is a misuse of forum server space.
JMO, of course
chasBMW said:I think this is spot onBing said:Would anyone care to guess exactly how many f*cks I give about whether a 35is is faster than my car ? This whole conversation has turned into a waste of internet.
The 35is may become sought after in the future, after all at one time the e30 was just another 3 series. The e85 Ms may become classics because of that engine being the last NA straight 6 M engine, the Bangle design heritage, the 'raw' driving experience and their rarity. And it's generally acknowledged that the MC will get there first - the Z3 M coupe market is a good indicator.
However the e89 will not become a classic because it *might* be faster in the right hands, is a bit comfier and has a few more toys than the M. That's a ridiculous assertion and is a misuse of forum server space.
JMO, of course
Yes that is a ridiculous assertion, and whats even more ridiculous is no one here ever said that?
Not sure where you got that from lol.....
Bing said:PerryGunn said:Let's attempt to calculate that for you....Bing said:
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Perfect, as ever Mr P
Brilliant!
Anyway, my wife has a VW Up that will be a future classic in 2040 and is much faster than a 35 or an M at 48mph, and quicker around corners. Certainly feels it anyway.