3.0 auto first thoughts

jaz4

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 derbyshire uk
This is my first owned auto car and my first 3.0 so double joy (and my 1st new shape z4 but 4th in total all been 2.5)

Now I am on my 3rd week in the new z4 and been messing around.

Firstly its manic. Seriously I would never drive a manual car gear shifting down so much. I am only touching the accelerator and its off like a shot.

Love the down shift if you floor it hidden gem.

Love the sports shift if you push the stick left and it down gears and is ready for the off.

Now in full auto

Im still learning the differences when running it. In the old 2.5 i would run 2 3 and 6. even in 30 its 6 the, going up a hill at 50 its 6th. this wants to drop to 5th around town. going up that hill at 50 it drops down 5 then 4 and then I am accelerating, not good when following a car in front wohh.

Now its a 260+ bhp grunt power plant so should easily run in 6th but the rpm is very low.

Sometimes its dropped into 1st when normally its in 2nd, so if I still think its in 2nd ill be a bit more heavy on the peddle, and then look a plonker as its racing away.

Now depending on the peddle travel it can change at 3K or 3.5k which is nice just getting in the power band and keeping it there. But sometimes it wont go up to 6th unless i go over speed and then come of the throttle it will change up 1 or 2.

Ok manual

You can see the gear selected, now thats great. However its still meddles with your gears like a nagging partner. coming to a junction it will down shift for u which is good, but you slip into false sense of security that its in auto, NOT planting the peddle down simply hits the red line lol, and your think WTF panic and down shift to 1st ahhhh dime bar up shift quick.

Again that down shift happens say down a country road coming to a 40 mph bend and your in 5th, but its so quiet you do not notice and forget that its interfeared so run a few miles in the wrong gear. AHHH stop messing with my gears. And yes at 30 it will deselect 6 to 5th.

Now using the gear stick to seq up and down shift is great, the paddles on the wheel are a bit of a novelty which ive been using a bit more this week mainly to down shift. the location for my small hands are quite difficult to mess with but the gear shift is more natural. still working on it though.

Now my issues.

1) to put it in permanent manual you need to push the stick across. This in the first instance is sports shift, so if already moving will mean going down 1 gear automatically, not an issue as you can up shift quick. best to do it from start.

2) S shift. This is simply bonkers great for overtaking shove the gear stick left and plant but its 7K change wohhh.

3) sports button. again it drops down a gear and keeps the revs up. I cant use this as a normal fun drive in auto due to the petrol use but ill mess with manual this week.

To sum up

I will never underestimate an auto again, there is no way a normal competent driver (i am one) can pick the perfect gear for a given road condition/ speed like this can. the standard kick down is so smooth and in sports mode its manic.

I have yet to try launch control.

The 3.0 is another leap in performance, my 2.5si sports, I had the sports button on and floored the peddle especially in 2nd 3rd then cruse at 6th in my normal daily commute down country roads in the hilly peak district. (thats 7 years experience in the old z4). This roaring beast i am still taming it and understanding the differences in the modes and how and when it changes gears depending on how I poke it, its not that simple like it will change at 2K.

I guess one of the massive differences is how quiet and smooth it is compared to the old model, 2.5K at 60 mph now its 2K.

I guess on a racing track the car is perfect but for me the main drive is 50 to 60 down country roads, some tight 30 mph corners and hilly up and down. I would love to have 3 settings A) be able to have it in full manual and me down shift. B) in sports mode not for it to down shift a gear, do that on sports + but have it sports shift. that way I can cruse if i am doing 60 let it top gear but as im breaking and going round country bends down shift and accelerate, but always get to top gear. C) A final 3rd mode of flat cap old man driving, when following traffic I cant do anything but as fast as the car in front.
 
So the question is would you prefer the 3.0l as a manual or an automatic?

For me, If I could have got mine with the DCT, I might well have chosen that instead of the manual, but prefer the manual over the auto.

However the 3.0l is a peach, just the right amount of power for little old me.
 
Come on jaz4 were all eagerly awaiting your answer to sars question,would you prefer the 3.0l as a manual or automatic if you could choose again
 
Great write up :thumbsup:

Only the 35i has launch control afaik.

Like you i moved from a manual to an auto and have been mildly impressed, i love the silky smooth changes.

Better than a manual? Not sure, im still on the fence :D
 
HillWalker said:
Come on jaz4 were all eagerly awaiting your answer to sars question,would you prefer the 3.0l as a manual or automatic if you could choose again

+1 :thumbsup:


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I'm amazed people like that auto gearbox, yeah it's great for driving in stop start traffic, but for me thats the only benefit. I sampled one for three weeks a couple of months back and it drove me mad, not once was it ever in the right gear, and the only time it had any power was in sport mode, but then wouldn't cruise in a higher gear, as it was constantly changing down. This rendered the increased weight in the steering, the active suspension and the slackened stability control (in Sport +) totally superfluous. So I ended up stuck in normal mode with sluggish changes, no appreciable engine braking, no performance and bored. Not the recipe for a fun to drive sports car.

The DCT in the 35i is far, far better but still not as good as a proper old stick. Which is why i'm one of the few with a manual 35.
 
Ok ok i was going to reply last night but wife had issues with email so needed to sort.

Right I can not answer that just yet as im still getting to grips with all the bits and different modes.

Just like zed steve. Im on the fence but I dont regret it at all and would chose one over manual.

In normal city driving its fab nothing compares as it will sort everything out for u. simply relax no left foot getting numb sitting in traffic or riding the clutch. or rolling backwards, forwards.

I guess Im trying to hard with it, thinking top gear saves money and petrol so must go up must go up. Still it does know better as my mpg in manual is actually 0.5 miles per gal lower than in auto only.

I did try manual in sports plus, the steering is a lot firmer may be a bit too firm for the amount of corners I take but and the peddle map is different and much more responsive. May give it a week in this mode to see the petrol difference. DJtex u missed that option

I have noticed that if I do push it it sort of keeps in that mode for a bit, like hanging longer on lower gears for a bit longer like a obedient whippet thinking wheres the scoobie then after a bit at the same speed and 4K revs deciding to upshifting 2 gears quickley like saying hu was that it then back to boring driving again and so to sleep at 2K.

Still at least its using the gear box which I was too lazy to mess with, like I said I only ever did 2,3 and 6 is pretty much not far from auto anyway lol. in manual shift its very similar its just annoying it wont let me fully take control, I know that goes against auto and i guess i am the dominant one lol.

I am also beginning to put it in neutral a bit more like I would in a manual to coast.

Would I pay extra for it, not a lot, but do not regret it and if 2 identical cars come up again I would choose the auto, especially for the sports shift and kick down fun (you need both hands on the wheel lol)
 
djtex said:
I'm amazed people like that auto gearbox, yeah it's great for driving in stop start traffic, but for me thats the only benefit. I sampled one for three weeks a couple of months back and it drove me mad, not once was it ever in the right gear, and the only time it had any power was in sport mode, but then wouldn't cruise in a higher gear, as it was constantly changing down. This rendered the increased weight in the steering, the active suspension and the slackened stability control (in Sport +) totally superfluous. So I ended up stuck in normal mode with sluggish changes, no appreciable engine braking, no performance and bored. Not the recipe for a fun to drive sports car.

The DCT in the 35i is far, far better but still not as good as a proper old stick. Which is why i'm one of the few with a manual 35.

Agree that autmatic sport mode is not great, but using the paddles is a different story imo. It stays in manual mode, the changes up/down are crisp and quick, you are in the gear you want to be in, and 6th gear can be used unlike in auto mode. Im still getting used to changing gear this way, but find it good fun :)
 
Zed steve.

yeh same with me either the paddles or the stick. even in full auto i can still upshift with the paddles so force it into top and it stays there when it goes back from manual. like going down hills you can shift down a few more gears for engine breaking.

Now im still looking at sports and sports+ more using paddles. So far only issue is when stopping and starting it does go to 1st not 2nd but at least you can see this on the dash. Will look at it more detail. Need to know what it does auto downshifting in the sports modes

Just for note though even in manual the kickdown works, but its you that needs to change up as hits 7K redlining and you stop accelerating lol.
 
Had a little play with it yesterday and In Sports driving mode it pulls away in 1st gear, but pulls away in 2nd in normal driving mode.
 
well I think i have found my perfect setting

I now understand why it did things strangely basically you have like 7 settings:-
auto
sports shift auto
manual
sports auto
sports+ auto
sports manual
sports+ manual

Now in sports manual I like.

it does downshift all the way down to 1st but as its constant thats fine. pulling from a junction say turning right its the gear shift I use then the paddles. it changes very very fast up or down. when slowing down say turning left it downshifts perfect for u so in 2nd and you can plant it and upshift with ease. It also does not downshift as much as in auto.

To coast down hills either downshift or put in neutral. when changing back it goes into sports shift first but a quick manual poke get it back into manual, and the sports or sports+ is still activated so back in control quick.

I did coast a fair bit in the manual but that simply meant push the clutch ped down. in the auto the engine is always engaged in some way, so pushing into neutral is the same, now not an issue.

The other thing it sort of learns your style so in auto its been remapped. Unsure if this is true.
 
Very interesting thread.

I ordered the 35is so it will be interesting to see how the paddle shifters work. I love a manual transmission but this car didn't come with that option.

Seeing the 7 different options could be somewhat of a lengthy experiement to figure out what I like and when. This will give me an excuse to drive the car more! :D

Will June never get here?
 
Launch control in the 8 speed sports auto? Have I missed something, do you have the DCT as I thought only it had launch control. Sorry if I'm being dumb....

Glad to hear that the auto is so good as I am shortly moving over to that in my 4 pot sdrive20i. Not quite the same as the 30i I know but agree that it will likely get more out of the car than I could with a manual box.
 
Launch control, to my knowledge, is 35i/35is DCT only. If it were available on a standard auto, it wouldn't be quite as effective as no matter how hard you try, a standard torque convertor box by its very nature will always be a bit soft/slownot as effective as a DCT.
 
Maniac said:
Launch control, to my knowledge, is 35i/35is DCT only. If it were available on a standard auto, it wouldn't be quite as effective as no matter how hard you try, a standard torque convertor box by its very nature will always be a bit soft/slownot as effective as a DCT.

That's what I thought but the OP mentioned that they were going to test the launch control which threw me a bit and got my hopes up ;)
 
"I am also beginning to put it in neutral a bit more like I would in a manual to coast."

You shouldn't put Autos into Neutral very often as it can starve the Box of oil as it quite often stops or vastly slows down the boxes internal oil pump.
 
robertsskippyj said:
"I am also beginning to put it in neutral a bit more like I would in a manual to coast."

You shouldn't put Autos into Neutral very often as it can starve the Box of oil as it quite often stops or vastly slows down the boxes internal oil pump.

+1, but i would add "never", thats what i understood, causes all sorts of problems, overheating of the oil is one i believe.
 
The launch control was a mistake, I simple read it in the manual and thought thats sounds fun.

Sports manual is the way to go so when you get it have fun. All modes have there own place, When feeling lazy with the top down its auto. At traffic lights sports auto (or sports shift), and to simply move kick down.

ENJOY
 
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