135i Calipers Fitted to Z4M

gnx said:
Mangozac said:
Prompted by the recent thread discussing some brake options, I figured I should share my recently completed front brake upgrade.

I did a lot of testing with many different Brembo front calipers, testing blue calipers from an F82 M4 and F20 M140i. The M4 calipers can be made to work on E46 M3s, so the expectation was that they would work with the Z4M but alas the slight difference in steering knuckle meant it wouldn't work. The M140i calipers can be made to fit but would need a significant spacer so that the wheel spokes will clear the caliper.

In the end, I saw how nicely the E82 135i Brembo 6 piston calipers worked on another member's car and decided to stop giving myself headaches and go down the tried and tested route :lol:

I'm running the 6 piston Brembo fronts on the stock CSL rotors and the stock rear brake setup. Based purely on piston sizing calculations this will have adjusted the bias backwards slightly, however accounting for a more aggressive pad in the front I feel that there's no significant difference in the bias.

I had the new calipers and the stock rear calipers both painted a metallic blue, similar to the M4/M140i calipers, then M decals added and a clear coat. All high temp paint. At first I was unsure about drawing attention to the small real calipers, but justified it due to the fact that the F10 M5 has a similar setup: big, 6 piston calipers up front and little single pistons at the back.

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He best thing is that a new caliper bracket isn't even necessary! They bolt straight up to the knuckle with some 8mm spacers and longer mounting bolts (the mounting bolts from the 135i are perfect). The spacers are basically M12 washers 8mm thick and 32mm diameter - I machined mine from some 304 grade stainless round bar. I also fitted some braided steel brake lines to the front calipers while I was at it ;)

How do they perform? Well I haven't had a chance to give them a workout with a hard drive yet, but for day to day driving they feel fantastic! The pedal feel is improved but also still very "BMW factory" feeling, if that makes any sense. Still very linear.

I am familiar of reports of the ceramic part of the pistons fracturing on these calipers but in the very few cases I've heard of it has been restricted to cars under heavy track use. I'm not concerned, but worst case they need rebuilding one day.

I'll have a better idea/confirmation of the performance in heavy use in a couple of weeks but so far is proving to be a very satisfying upgrade. They look amazing and give the Z4M a more modern feel.

These look like OEM M359 rims. Am I correct? Did you have to use spacers up front for them to fit? Anybody else can chime in perhaps?

I have the same Brembo/BMW Performance 6 pot callipers up front and I'm using 10mm H&R spacers to clear the 163M CSL rims.
 

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FWIW I used those babies with some 348 mm discs on my 35is..very nice feel and action :thumbsup:
 
I'm (very) slowly preparing for this upgrade on my 3.0si.
So, I'm gathering reading material and a parts list.
I have the calipers from my 130i (they were one of the 'Performance' parts option on the 130i)
I replaced all 12 pistons including seals. Then some threads helicoiled. Then a full strip down and refurbish in the original Pheonix Yellow they came with.
The calipers were wrecked when I found them on Facebook market place, of all places, they'd spent their life on 3 different track cars. 2 completely stuck pistons, all seals gone and just in a really poor state with knackered threads.

Here they are on my 130i after all the work:
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I understand I need some different mounting brackets, hoses (available as a bundle from a Cutters member) and the CSL/Z4M discs.
 
B21 said:
Great restoration!
Yes, it was quite an emotional journey. :rofl: Problem after problem.

The stuck piston was a nightmare. It took numerous workshops much pursuading to even get them to look at a process to remove it. they all immediately turned me away, telling me to buy a new caliper. They just didnt want the faff.

In the end, an old skool mechanic/engineer agreed to figure something out. He fashioned some super sketchy air compressor pipework that attached to the bleed nipple to force the piston out. It took him an hour of forcing air through it, and using numerous tools before getting some movement.
The single piece caliper design was the problem, if I could have broken the caliper apart I could have easily drilled that sucker out, or got behind it somehow..

The piston was heavily corroded and I suspect it was like that for years.
 
Well done..I would have just paid the cash for a new set..

I've refurbished some calipers in the past..but even with refurbishment these days I use a professional outfit.

Hopefully they will work for you as well as they do for me!
 
How much for a new set of these.
Or can anybody recommend where i can buy a set.
Had a look on eBay but can't find a set.
 
taz1966 said:
How much for a new set of these.
Or can anybody recommend where i can buy a set.
Had a look on eBay but can't find a set.

£1,200 with a set of 348mm by 26mm discs for E90s

Yiu can but them from lots of places

Called BMW Performance Brake
 
B21 said:
taz1966 said:
How much for a new set of these.
Or can anybody recommend where i can buy a set.
Had a look on eBay but can't find a set.


£1,200 with a set of 348mm by 26mm discs for E90s

Yiu can but them from lots of places

Called BMW Performance Brake

Thanks.
Are the discs a direct replacement on the ZMR
 
taz1966 said:
Thanks.
Are the discs a direct replacement on the ZMR

E9X brake discs don't work on the Z4M - wrong offset - see this thread: https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144853&hilit=brakes+2023

These calipers do work with the OE Z4M Discs (which are identical to the E46 M3 CSL Discs).
 
Ed Doe said:
taz1966 said:
Thanks.
Are the discs a direct replacement on the ZMR

E9X brake discs don't work on the Z4M - wrong offset - see this thread: https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144853&hilit=brakes+2023

These calipers do work with the OE Z4M Discs (which are identical to the E46 M3 CSL Discs).
:thumbsup:
 
I've just had 2x E46 M3 CSL discs arrive. Whoop whoop.
Time to get those caliper brackets and hoses, then I'm ready for install.
Does anyone know the hose length required?
 
Meds said:
I've just had 2x E46 M3 CSL discs arrive. Whoop whoop.
Time to get those caliper brackets and hoses, then I'm ready for install.
Does anyone know the hose length required?

These are what I used from HEL Performance:

https://auto.helperformance.com/hel-front-caliper-conversion-braided-brake-lines-for-bmw-3-series-e46
 
GT Spec said:
Meds said:
I've just had 2x E46 M3 CSL discs arrive. Whoop whoop.
Time to get those caliper brackets and hoses, then I'm ready for install.
Does anyone know the hose length required?

These are what I used from HEL Performance:

https://auto.helperformance.com/hel-front-caliper-conversion-braided-brake-lines-for-bmw-3-series-e46

Brilliant, thanks for this.
I assume they fit the correct grommet/rubber sleeves to the cable?
 
Hi Meds, sorry been a really busy weekend. Afraid I bought my kit with the hoses already attached back in the day, so I have no info on the hose length unfortunately. Seems like the above link from GT Spec should sort you out though :)
 
Thanks for the info, guys.
It's been a great help.
My only worry is the rubber grommets/mount guides are not installed on these, the pictures show just a clean cable, with no mounting furniture.
Is that a concern or am I over thinking this?
 
Meds said:
Thanks for the info, guys.
It's been a great help.
My only worry is the rubber grommets/mount guides are not installed on these, the pictures show just a clean cable, with no mounting furniture.
Is that a concern or am I over thinking this?

You should be able to use your existing rubber grommets? I think they're split so you can get them off/on the hoses, if not a Stanley knife to split them and then pinch them back in the retaining clip and they won't come undone :thumbsup: pretty certain that's how mine were
 
Ed Doe said:
Meds said:
Thanks for the info, guys.
It's been a great help.
My only worry is the rubber grommets/mount guides are not installed on these, the pictures show just a clean cable, with no mounting furniture.
Is that a concern or am I over thinking this?

You should be able to use your existing rubber grommets? I think they're split so you can get them off/on the hoses, if not a Stanley knife to split them and then pinch them back in the retaining clip and they won't come undone :thumbsup: pretty certain that's how mine were

That's a great idea..
I've just measured the hoses already attached to my calipers and they're 540mm, the same length as the oem 135 hoses, if I can reuse them then i dont need to worry aboutcutting them off..
Excellent.
 
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