I said to my daughter yesterday they’d be for sale in Glasgow within 3 hrsNictrix wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:24 pm Its ok. Give it a few weeks and you will be able to buy fake vaccine passports on ebay![]()

I said to my daughter yesterday they’d be for sale in Glasgow within 3 hrsNictrix wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:24 pm Its ok. Give it a few weeks and you will be able to buy fake vaccine passports on ebay![]()
Bit far from North Yorkshire - can we meet half way?Argyll Andy wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:09 pmI said to my daughter yesterday they’d be for sale in Glasgow within 3 hrsNictrix wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:24 pm Its ok. Give it a few weeks and you will be able to buy fake vaccine passports on ebay![]()
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What's the difference between someone who has been vaccinated and someone who has had the virus?Nanu wrote: Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:03 pm Other countries will dictate whether we will need vaccination passports just like they did with PCR tests. No passport no entry. So those that choose not to be vaccinated then that is their choice which I fully support. They will just have to live with other countries not wanting them. As for the same in this country, private businesses can do what they like. Even now if a shop does not want to grant you access they can refuse entry. They don't even have to justify their reason. The same will hold true for vaccination passports. If a business does not want to do business or engage with you that is their choice, just the same as it's your choice whether to be vaccinated or not.
If you are an employer you have legal obligations under the Health & Safety at Work Act towards your employees and customers.
Ones had Covid, ones notmgrlane wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:12 am What's the difference between someone who has been vaccinated and someone who has had the virus?
About right for this threadArgyll Andy wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:31 amOnes had Covid, ones notmgrlane wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:12 am What's the difference between someone who has been vaccinated and someone who has had the virus?![]()
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Ah but.................. could have had covid a while back, recovered, then had the jab too.mgrlane wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:15 amAbout right for this threadArgyll Andy wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:31 amOnes had Covid, ones notmgrlane wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:12 am What's the difference between someone who has been vaccinated and someone who has had the virus?![]()
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But is there immunity from having Covid and how does it compare to the vaccination immunity? That's the question that no one is answering. That's the question that anyone involved in profiting from the vaccine doesn't want the ask nor have the answer (if it's positive). I am sure if there wasn't Pharma would be singing from the rafters about the fact that it doesn't if it didn't.
I thought that before the vaccine when they spoke about herd immunity they were talking about everybody being exposed to the virus, recovering and then being immune..... without having a vaccinemgrlane wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:44 amBut is there immunity from having Covid and how does it compare to the vaccination immunity? That's the question that no one is answering. That's the question that anyone involved in profiting from the vaccine doesn't want the ask nor have the answer (if it's positive). I am sure if there wasn't Pharma would be singing from the rafters about the fact that it doesn't if it didn't.
BoJo changes his policy and his stance like the wind changes direction.Nictrix wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:53 am I thought that before the vaccine when they spoke about herd immunity they were talking about everybody being exposed to the virus, recovering and then being immune..... without having a vaccine
Basically yes but the same problem was present, they type of virus doesnt lend itself to long term immunity so you would catch it over and over BUT for that same reason we will need to vaccinate over and over (just like flu) lovely wee money maker for Big Pharma!Nictrix wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:53 am I thought that before the vaccine when they spoke about herd immunity they were talking about everybody being exposed to the virus, recovering and then being immune..... without having a vaccine
I believe so but I wouldn't put 100% on it- proves a starting point for research. Doesn't seem to be to much on it and I have tried duckduckgo as I thought google might be censoring it.Flyingfifer wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:35 am As for R2361 I noticed that was provisional from 2021 so not sure if we would be bound by that?
mgrlane wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:02 am
We are up to 71 people in our age group that tested positive within 28 days of a covid test that have died in hospital (or a doctor said they had it based on symptoms without testing) that didn't have any pre-existing medial conditions:
It's got all the way to 518 if we include people with medial conditions!
Quick- we better book ourselves in for a vaccine.... Dangerous world for us out there.
There has been research on people infected. It generally shows that immunity is durable and is present up to 8 mths after infection for >95% of people tested. By that they mean that at least 3 out of 5 immune system components (T Cells, B Cells , CD4 etc) could recognise and respond to Covid 19. Obviously as time goes on more research will be needed but the hope (and early evidence) is that the vaccines will have similiar long lasting impacts. Of course no two people have the same immune response (to vaccines or infection) so these are averages and there will be some who are better protected and some worse, hence why there are sporadic reports of re-infection.
So it look likely that they could basically make this a flu jab type thing where they could vaccinate 3 times every two years. Or perhaps twice a year to keep things on the safe side.Vornwend wrote: Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:24 am There has been research on people infected. It generally shows that immunity is durable and is present up to 8 mths after infection for >95% of people tested. By that they mean that at least 3 out of 5 immune system components (T Cells, B Cells , CD4 etc) could recognise and respond to Covid 19. Obviously as time goes on more research will be needed but the hope (and early evidence) is that the vaccines will have similiar long lasting impacts. Of course no two people have the same immune response (to vaccines or infection) so these are averages and there will be some who are better protected and some worse, hence why there are sporadic reports of re-infection.