Z4MC values (again!)

Un less you could line all cars up for sale to compare condition etc i think its very hard to look at values.
Over the years ive bought dozens(really) of motors and found that the cheapest are usually that for a reason.

Buyer says "paintwork a bit flat"
Seller says "i know but the price reflects that " etc

If i was to sell my car with its low miles and late plate etc then i would emphasise its more expensive 'cos its better!
if you cant afford it ,dont buy it!

i think theres a place for all the examples,at different price points.
 
Differences of opinion should never be perceived as offensive, however, I'm sorry if my comments offend anyone; that is never my intention. This thread has lasted longer than it should and therefore I shall make no further comments on this subject. I do hope that I will receive a warmer welcome when I become an owner of a Z4 MC.
 
exdos, when you've bought your Z4MC will you then switch sides and say that they are future classics, bargains, great value etc? You will be more than welcome either way I'm sure though
 
You guys are being harsh. The guy is just giving his opinion not being offensive. If you think that's being offensive then you really need to get out more... :wink:
 
peddy said:
You guys are being harsh. The guy is just giving his opinion not being offensive. If you think that's being offensive then you really need to get out more... :wink:
Click to expand...

Agreed. It's been an interesting read too.
 
I feel exdos’ whole point was totally self-centred and totally biased: “I want to buy a Z4MC but don’t want to pay the current prices I’m seeing. Hey all you Z4MC owners, let me tell you that you should advertise your cars £2k lower, for if you don’t your fate will be sealed and you will end up getting the rock-bottom trade in price. You have been warned.” It’s absolute nonsense. Opinion was presented as fact and it was an attempt at scare-mongering. No one else see the bare-faced cheek in that? exdos knows what he’s doing. If everyone agreed with him he could have pulled up this thread to show a seller to help him knock down the price: “Look, even Z4MC enthusiasts on their own forum say the cars are over-priced! So can we shake at £7k?” :roll:

I’m unbiased in that all I’m saying is the market rate is the market rate. exdos is welcome to moan all he wants but please don’t try and coax or scare owners into advertising their cars at a lower price.
 
markos said:
I feel exdos’ whole point was totally self-centred and totally biased: “I want to buy a Z4MC but don’t want to pay the current prices I’m seeing. Hey all you Z4MC owners, let me tell you that you should advertise your cars £2k lower, for if you don’t your fate will be sealed and you will end up getting the rock-bottom trade in price. You have been warned.” It’s absolute nonsense. Opinion was presented as fact and it was an attempt at scare-mongering. No one else see the bare-faced cheek in that? exdos knows what he’s doing. If everyone agreed with him he could have pulled up this thread to show a seller to help him knock down the price: “Look, even Z4MC enthusiasts on their own forum say the cars are over-priced! So can we shake at £7k?” :roll:

I’m unbiased in that all I’m saying is the market rate is the market rate. exdos is welcome to moan all he wants but please don’t try and coax or scare owners into advertising their cars at a lower price.
Click to expand...

Markos,

I totally agree, to come onto a Z4 forum suggesting you are looking for a Z4MC and continually moaning that they are all over priced, to me only suggests one thing!

Furthermore the prices stated on Parkers or whereever do not reflect a true guide to the values in which the cars are actually trading hands.

I can be very critical of this as I purchased my 07 Z4MC with only 8k on the clock in December 2011 and know what i paid and what similar cars were being sold for. I am very happy with what i paid for my car, however according to your logic i probably overpaid to the tune of £5k!

These are great and somewhat rare cars. I highly recommend one. So i would suggest if your after a good example you'll have to pay the going rate.
 
I'm much more interested in exdos giving me an insight into his specialist area, the Z3MC market. I would very happily buy a cheap-for-a-reason "daddy" and nuture it back to health, but I cannot find one at such a low price that I am unable to resist :P Even the Phoenix yellow one on PH is not particularly cheap for a previous write off. That and the owner does not answer my email enquiries...
 
Blimey, this thread has taken off hasnt it?! A proper ding-dong of a discussion. Starting to feel a little sorry for exdos. After reading all pages I think I'm personally going to have to use the old fashioned method of reviewing all prices and guides available to me if and when the time to buy/sell comes up again. In either in a buyers or sellers marketplace, a bargain comes up, great. If not then it comes down to my own sense of purchase urgency.

BTW this happened to me last August. MC prices where still quite bouyant and Blacklines needed to get shot in order to fund his new ///M3. One Dutch auction later and a rapid collation of all monies I could get my hands on and I'd found my bargain :thumbsup:
 
Skelts said:
Markos,

I totally agree, to come onto a Z4 forum suggesting you are looking for a Z4MC and continually moaning that they are all over priced, to me only suggests one thing!

Furthermore the prices stated on Parkers or whereever do not reflect a true guide to the values in which the cars are actually trading hands.

I can be very critical of this as I purchased my 07 Z4MC with only 8k on the clock in December 2011 and know what i paid and what similar cars were being sold for. I am very happy with what i paid for my car, however according to your logic i probably overpaid to the tune of £5k!

These are great and somewhat rare cars. I highly recommend one. So i would suggest if your after a good example you'll have to pay the going rate.
Click to expand...

Hi Skelts, yes, I agree on Parkers etc, I've never personally used such guides when buying or selling.

Your 8k MC sounds awesome! I love finds like that, when I was looking there was a low-specced one with 2.5k on the clock going for very reasonable money bearing in mind those miles!

Do you mean my logic Skelts? I presume you paid more than the typical example on say PH? But with those miles I'd expect your car to cost more, so that all makes sense to me as the average car on PH has 20-40k on the clock, not 8k. Trust me, if I found a white MC with the spec I wanted I'd have happily paid £1k-£2k more than a comparable car in black (my next choice after white) as it's rare and I think they look great in white.
 
Think its worth pointing out that regardless of whether or not Parkers, Glasses, Autotrader, Pistonheads et al represent a 'true' value of a second hand car, 99% of people use one or more of these places to research how much they think they should be buying or selling their car for. Within that 99% there is another large percentage who will use Parkers or Autotrader as their benchmark. Personally I cant actually see what the problem is with that.
 
markos said:
Skelts said:
Markos,

I totally agree, to come onto a Z4 forum suggesting you are looking for a Z4MC and continually moaning that they are all over priced, to me only suggests one thing!

Furthermore the prices stated on Parkers or whereever do not reflect a true guide to the values in which the cars are actually trading hands.

I can be very critical of this as I purchased my 07 Z4MC with only 8k on the clock in December 2011 and know what i paid and what similar cars were being sold for. I am very happy with what i paid for my car, however according to your logic i probably overpaid to the tune of £5k!

These are great and somewhat rare cars. I highly recommend one. So i would suggest if your after a good example you'll have to pay the going rate.
Click to expand...

Hi Skelts, yes, I agree on Parkers etc, I've never personally used such guides when buying or selling.

Your 8k MC sounds awesome! I love finds like that, when I was looking there was a low-specced one with 2.5k on the clock going for very reasonable money bearing in mind those miles!

Do you mean my logic Skelts? I presume you paid more than the typical example on say PH? But with those miles I'd expect your car to cost more, so that all makes sense to me as the average car on PH has 20-40k on the clock, not 8k. Trust me, if I found a white MC with the spec I wanted I'd have happily paid £1k-£2k more than a comparable car in black (my next choice after white) as it's rare and I think they look great in white.
Click to expand...
And what was the service history like for these two low mileage examples?
the 8k one, did it have 3 stamps? An in running and 2 oil services?
 
I purchased my Z4MR 2 years ago this month for £22.5 k from westerly Exeter.Car was bought unseen but sales manager sold the car originally and gave me an accurate description of the car over the phone,7.5k miles most of the options ticked.
I honestly dont know if i was to sell it privately now how much i would want for it but with 16k miles on the clock and in excellent condition i would be looking for more than what i have seen them advertised for recently,would hate to see what BMW would offer on it.I dont intend selling mine for a long time,like it toooooo much :driving:
 
peddy - that is a difficult one as the dealer is often wrong when it comes to "proper" servicing.

My definition of my low mileage proper servicing is that I have done an intermediate oil service before my inspection 1, i.e. my counter was still showing 7k miles to Inspection one, but I did an oil service at the 24 months (with brake) and 12 months after that (this april / may), I will do the inspection 1 which will then still be under-due, but will do that due to the 12 months interval, before changing the oil again with brake fluid in a years time.
 
Well thats it a 56 plate car with 12k on it may have only been serviced twice the run in and an oil service maybe an inspection 1 because the service interval is 14k so 5/6 years depending when it was registered... not good where as a car with mid milage will have been serviced more regularly. I had my inspection 2 before it was due because the I told the dealer it is under average milage but is getting on and should be done they agreed and did the service 2 for me at 46k. Generally they don't like to service the car until the computer tell it too but ifthe car isnt used then more things are likely to go wrong with it sitting around. They are designed to move lol
 
peddy said:
Problem with a lot of these low milage cars is that they haven't been serviced properly.
Click to expand...

The same could be said for some higher mileage ones too I'd guess. Each needs to be considered on merit.


Sent from my iPad
 
RidgyDidge said:
The same could be said for some higher mileage ones too I'd guess. Each needs to be considered on merit.
Click to expand...
Not necessarily, as on a higher mileage car the SI would warn you that a service is due before you'd reached the 2 year max for an oil service - and most people take notice of the SI display.

On a low mileage car you'd not see a any SI warning for 3/4/5/6 years and may not know about the 2 year interval unless you'd read the owner's manual.

Mine is high-ish mileage (for a Z4) - although only average mileage for a 5.5 year old car (i.e. average of 10,000 miles a year), but it gets an interim oil service every 6-7k miles, brake fluid is changed at least annually and more often than not it's 2-3 times a year.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom