z4 turbo ecu install booked

Machine monkey

Lifer
In the shire Oxfordshire
As per title my car is booked in to SCS for the 16th of April

My car is a development car for a plug n play. Fully programmable standalone ECU that will allow anyone else to buy an off the shelf ECU and fit it yourself. And then take to any tunner to mapped. Turbos superchargers any upgrades you want. It takes away all the problems associated with the ms45 ECU. It also runs a MAP sensor so the restrictive MAF is going in the bin.

So by the end of April early May my car should be done and running

Very excited monkey.
 
Machine monkey said:
And Scary too.

What if it blows up? Makes no power!! Time will tell.

How’s it gonna work, Mat, do you just hand it over to them, they do their stuff and you get it back, or are you going to need to be involved on the hardware side, tweaking/fixing as they shake it down etc?

Very cool stage of the project though. Maybe you should start an MM YouTube channel? :D
 
MrPT said:
Machine monkey said:
And Scary too.

What if it blows up? Makes no power!! Time will tell.

How’s it gonna work, Mat, do you just hand it over to them, they do their stuff and you get it back, or are you going to need to be involved on the hardware side, tweaking/fixing as they shake it down etc?

Very cool stage of the project though. Maybe you should start an MM YouTube channel? :D

Well a lot of shake down and testing has been done.
So hopefully it will just be handed to them and I get it back running and with a very mild map. About .7-.8 psi but then I can build and fully map it from there.

There are a few vids not many on YOUTUBE.
 
Nice. Eager to see how the new ecu intergrates in the car's CAN network.
If they get it working with a factory feel&finish and preferably integrated in the alarm system, this ecu will be on my list too.
 
GuidoK said:
Nice. Eager to see how the new ecu intergrates in the car's CAN network.
If they get it working with a factory feel&finish and preferably integrated in the alarm system, this ecu will be on my list too.

Fingers crossed it all works.

The alarm i am not sure of? But they have said it will be fully integrated? Time will tell????
 
Machine monkey said:
The alarm i am not sure of? But they have said it will be fully integrated? Time will tell????
Afaik with bmw the EWS computer is tied into the ecu. The EWS checks the vin via the canbus with the ecu and that is the immobilizer system for bmw. Otherwise the car is easlily stolen by plugging in a new ecu.
This is usually also a requirement for your insurance if you have all risk insurance.
I dont know how this is if you also have the normal alarm (immobilizer = class 1, factory alarm is class 3). Will the factory alarm still work?
 
GuidoK said:
Machine monkey said:
The alarm i am not sure of? But they have said it will be fully integrated? Time will tell????
Afaik with bmw the EWS computer is tied into the ecu. The EWS checks the vin via the canbus with the ecu and that is the immobilizer system for bmw. Otherwise the car is easlily stolen by plugging in a new ecu.
This is usually also a requirement for your insurance if you have all risk insurance

They sell a plug and play kit for the e46 and ms43. This is the same unite with different pinnout connector block. I assume either like me the people that have brought them are not to worried. Or they have a soloution?

I have asked the question anyway. I will let you know there response once I get it.

It’s a very powerful bit of kit. And so far beond a remap or table fiddling with standard ECUs. I do hope it’s fully integrated. As this could be such a good thing for anyone wanting full control or the ability to tune there car fully.

I will be asking also about.
Data logging
Flat shifting
Launch control
And
Anti lag too.

So many fun things could be possible.
 
Machine monkey said:
They sell a plug and play kit for the e46 and ms43. This is the same unite with different pinnout connector block. I assume either like me the people that have brought them are not to worried. Or they have a soloution?
Yes, the e46 EWS is the same. I'm not concerned the car wont start, but I wonder if the immobilizer still works (or the factory class 3 alarm), and if not (the immobilizer that is, I think it has less influence on the factory alarm), how would the insurance company look at that? (thats of course different for each insurance).

But I'm glad you're the guinea pig :rofl:
I think they'll get the tuning right (your car will be more difficult than a supercharged car), but all the integration with the rest of the car is my concern, that it still keeps that factory feel and not that half the buttons and systems dont work anymore. Like the ESP/stability systems.
The only concern I have is the electronic power steering. Thats not your problem anymore but I dont know if that is tied in the DME with something else than standard can signals. Obviously speed, rpm etc will be sent over the canbus otherwise the instrument cluster wont work.

With deleting the MAF sensor you also delete the IAT sensor which will be a problem to the tuning (MAP has to have IAT), so you have to fit an IAT sensor somewhere.
(With the e85 the IAT sensor sits in the MAF and with the E46 the IAT sensor is seperate in the intake manifold)

The beauty of an aftermarket ecu is that the tuner has full control over all the systems. No hidden mappings that the tuner overlooked or that are simply not known and play up in real life situations (I had a few really awkward ones...). And that full control lets you tune more to the limit. So if your tuning works out really well they'll definately have another customer.
Maybe member Alun1976 also might be interested. I dont know if he already solved his issues, or if he even still has his Z but last thing I know is that he attempted a ms43 swap and had issues with the ews. But getting an aftermarket ecu and custom tune to a car will probably give a better result than a generic tune (although the skill of the tuner now becomes a variable)
And I also know a few z4 TS owners on the german Z forum that also have some inconsistencies from time to time, so they might be interested too. But I dont know how the german MOT works. Aftermarket ecu's are sometimes a problem when emission checks are done by obd2 instead of by a real life measurement (4 gas measure). Where I live it's still 4 gas measurement for my manufacture year (and I barely pass, my car is running quite rich, so lots of carbon monoxide)
 
GuidoK said:
Machine monkey said:
They sell a plug and play kit for the e46 and ms43. This is the same unite with different pinnout connector block. I assume either like me the people that have brought them are not to worried. Or they have a soloution?
Yes, the e46 EWS is the same. I'm not concerned the car wont start, but I wonder if the immobilizer still works (or the factory class 3 alarm), and if not (the immobilizer that is, I think it has less influence on the factory alarm), how would the insurance company look at that? (thats of course different for each insurance).

But I'm glad you're the guinea pig :rofl:
I think they'll get the tuning right (your car will be more difficult than a supercharged car), but all the integration with the rest of the car is my concern, that it still keeps that factory feel and not that half the buttons and systems dont work anymore. Like the ESP/stability systems.
The only concern I have is the electronic power steering. Thats not your problem anymore but I dont know if that is tied in the DME with something else than standard can signals. Obviously speed, rpm etc will be sent over the canbus otherwise the instrument cluster wont work.

With deleting the MAF sensor you also delete the IAT sensor which will be a problem to the tuning (MAP has to have IAT), so you have to fit an IAT sensor somewhere.
(With the e85 the IAT sensor sits in the MAF and with the E46 the IAT sensor is seperate in the intake manifold)

The beauty of an aftermarket ecu is that the tuner has full control over all the systems. No hidden mappings that the tuner overlooked or that are simply not known and play up in real life situations (I had a few really awkward ones...). And that full control lets you tune more to the limit. So if your tuning works out really well they'll definately have another customer.
Maybe member Alun1976 also might be interested. I dont know if he already solved his issues, or if he even still has his Z but last thing I know is that he attempted a ms43 swap and had issues with the ews. But getting an aftermarket ecu and custom tune to a car will probably give a better result than a generic tune (although the skill of the tuner now becomes a variable)
And I also know a few z4 TS owners on the german Z forum that also have some inconsistencies from time to time, so they might be interested too. But I dont know how the german MOT works. Aftermarket ecu's are sometimes a problem when emission checks are done by obd2 instead of by a real life measurement (4 gas measure). Where I live it's still 4 gas measurement for my manufacture year (and I barely pass, my car is running quite rich, so lots of carbon monoxide)


The Alarm immobiliser isn’t a concern for me. My car isn’t ever left and lives most of its life locked in my workshop. Plus you can do things to stop it starting easily enough. The insurance would have to be notified. And no doubt a premium to be paid.

They have said it’s fully integrated. And a lot of the can bus work has been done. Time will tell but I have asked and they said ESP will all still work fine. Having the can system working properly is the reason I am going with SCS they are the only company that were willing to say yes it will all work. All the other company I called said yes it can work. Big difference there. Also SCS where the only ones willing to develop a plug n play product. The others were just selling a product that they would help you fit. I have confidence in them they have been very straight with what it can and can’t do.

As for the IAT no idea but as they have done this before i am guessing they will know and sort it.

You’re so right I am glad someone gets it. Most people just think it’s a remap. It’s not it’s so much more than that. Well I really hope for you but mostly me it works out!! :rofl: And yes you have to get the right extremely knowledgeable person to set it and map it. I have a friend of a friend with a nice impreza (a limited edition thing don’t know what? It’s an impreza I am not that interested) But he brought it and the turbo went tits up within a few months. It had been mapped by a known company. Had another fitted and took it to a known proven guy we know. And the map was all over the place. A lot of damage can be done be people with a little knowledge..

Well fingers crossed it works out and it can hopefully help others too.
 
Assuming you're going over to their premises in Norwich for fitting I can very highly recommend Gary Hayward at AP-Tuning for mapping. He's only 10 mins up the road.

I know he's worked with SCS previously and had very good results :)

This 400hp ST180 is one he mapped on SCS Delta:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Ll9Qwq-1c&feature=youtu.be
 
Mister T said:
Assuming you're going over to their premises in Norwich for fitting I can very highly recommend Gary Hayward at AP-Tuning for mapping. He's only 10 mins up the road.

I know he's worked with SCS previously and had very good results :)

This 400hp ST180 is one he mapped on SCS Delta:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Ll9Qwq-1c&feature=youtu.be

Yes it’s going to there place.
They are mapping the car and giving it me back running and driving. Not sure if they are doing it or subbing it out?

Good to know. The guy i would like to use locally has no experience with SCS. So i may well call Gary when the next phase of work is done and a remap is needed. For now it’s just a case of get it running and driving on low boost.
 
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