Z4 & Supra....the real story

[Angelus666]

https://youtu.be/_jbyzmtgU_0

Interesting video on the journey....well worth a watch

 

[J400uk]

Great find, really interesting watch! The B58 must be a properly solid engine then if it had Toyota input from day 1. And this also confirms that both manufacturers pretty much went their own ways after the core platform/ drivetrain was developed

 

[buzyg]

That was really good. Well worth taking time out to watch.

 

[GuidoK]

Great find, really interesting watch! The B58 must be a properly solid engine then if it had Toyota input from day 1.

Dont believe what that video says.
Toyota had no input in the b58, or virtally all other mechanical parts the z4 and supra are made up from.
If you look at the underside of the z4/supra, you can see that the z4 is a pars bin car like all previous ones have been. Its all based on 1/3 series tech and is all coming from bmw OEM's. Nothing is toyota based.

 

[CRAIGO]

The proper way...

https://youtu.be/4R46lgd9wAQ

 

[philbo909]

good video, but not sure i believe toyota helping to develop the engine

 

[Chris_D]

 

[Mr Tidy]

Enjoyed that - thanks.

 

[J400uk]

Great find, really interesting watch! The B58 must be a properly solid engine then if it had Toyota input from day 1.

Dont believe what that video says.
Toyota had no input in the b58

good video, but not sure i believe toyota helping to develop the engine

I don’t think it said that though? Just sounded more like when BMW developed the engine it had to meet the Toyota quality/ durability requirements. Which can’t be a bad thing really!

 

[Nictrix]

Great find, really interesting watch! The B58 must be a properly solid engine then if it had Toyota input from day 1.

Dont believe what that video says.
Toyota had no input in the b58

good video, but not sure i believe toyota helping to develop the engine

I don’t think it said that though? Just sounded more like when BMW developed the engine it had to meet the Toyota quality/ durability requirements. Which can’t be a bad thing really!

I suppose to prove or disprove this there would be parts that have been superceded from the earlier engines that you should be able to see in a parts list.
If there are no parts with new part numbers nothing has changed.

 

[J400uk]

I suppose to prove or disprove this there would be parts that have been superceded from the earlier engines that you should be able to see in a parts list.
If there are no parts with new part numbers nothing has changed.

Unless it was built to the ‘Toyota spec’ from Day1, i.e. the B58 in the M140i etc is the same as they’re now using in the Supra and Z4. In which case I’d assume all parts are the same

The timing roughy aligns as the Toyota and BMW teams split just before the B58 started appearing in other cars

 

[GuidoK]

I think during that time (2012) either the possibility of a potential partnership with toyota as well as actually developing the z4 was back then is such a vague stadium that there is no way toyota would have made demands that would have followed bmw to redesign b58 parts that would not have made that bar.
First of all that engine would be in quite a far developed stadium, second that engine is used throughout the bmw line and third the supra is a very very smal production numbered car. I mean maybe 5% of all b58 engines will end up in a supra.

These are all stories to keep the toyota buying public happy.
Then again where I come from driving a bmw usually is a plus over driving a toyota...

Usually no one would object paying for a toyota and getting a bmw :lol:

 

[Mikeyay]

Was a good watch.... thanks!

 

[Squiddie]

https://youtu.be/_jbyzmtgU_0

Interesting video on the journey....well worth a watch

The music kills it. I mean, WTF?

 

[Angelus666]

This is an interesting view on the basic design flaws in the platform. The revised render looks so much better.

https://youtu.be/YvCSaXN2O_g