Z4 No10 , , 35i manual / subtle mods + a few wheel changes

[Zoomer]

Automatic ... DCT
DCT ... automatic
Mmm ... nah, not the same thing.

Mind you, if you want to think they are ...

You've totally missed my factual post, you can drive a dct on an automatic licence- Or do you know better than the dvla?

Actually, you've made a very good point. An automatic box is easier to drive than a manual, which is why there's a separate licence for it. A DCT, however, is more complex to use properly than either, so perhaps there should be a license for it, too.

Automatic ... DCT
DCT ... automatic
Mmm ... nah, not the same thing.

Mind you, if you want to think they are ...

You've totally missed my factual post, you can drive a dct on an automatic licence- Or do you know better than the dvla?

Actually, you've made a very good point. An automatic box is easier to drive than a manual, which is why there's a separate licence for it. A DCT, however, is more complex to use properly than either, so perhaps there should be a license for it, too.

Automatic ... DCT
DCT ... automatic
Mmm ... nah, not the same thing.

Mind you, if you want to think they are ...

You've totally missed my factual post, you can drive a dct on an automatic licence- Or do you know better than the dvla?

Actually, you've made a very good point. An automatic box is easier to drive than a manual, which is why there's a separate licence for it. A DCT, however, is more complex to use properly than either, so perhaps there should be a license for it, too.

There's no clutch pedal so it's an Auto end of.

 

[john-e89]

Of course there should be...pure common sense isn’t it...?? Screw them Buster old son...the others, that all disagree with you by the way, will never understand will they....you make your stand mate....eye of the tiger fella.....GGGRRRRRRRRR..!!
.

 

[Busterboo]

Thanks, I shan't.

Yes, DCT = A & A + KD (with timed default to A) in N
But it also =
A + M via P (with default to A)
A + M via L (with no default to A)
M via L (with no default)
All these in N & S
Some in SS via P or L
And combinations of some of these.
DCT changes are also much faster than A, of course.
(A = Auto, KD = Kick-down, M = Manual, P = Paddle, L = Lever, N = Normal, S = Sport, SS = SportS)

If you haven't tried DCT, don't think it's just an Auto. It isn't. Try one for a day and see.

 

[Smartbear]

Thanks, I shan't.

Yes, DCT = A & A + KD (with timed default to A) in N
But it also =
A + M via P (with default to A)
A + M via L (with no default to A)
M via L (with no default)
All these in N & S
Some in SS via P or L
And combinations of some of these.
DCT changes are also much faster than A, of course.
(A = Auto, KD = Kick-down, M = Manual, P = Paddle, L = Lever, N = Normal, S = Sport, SS = SportS)

If you haven't tried DCT, don't think it's just an Auto. It isn't. Try one for a day and see.

I’m pretty sure my smart roadster had the same options for shifting & similar driving technique-it had fully auto, sequential change mode with stick & flappy paddle options as well
That was known as an automated manual as it had a robotised clutch & gearchange actuators :?
Rob

 

[Busterboo]

Some and slower, but, yes, I believe it did.

 

[Busterboo]

Let it go Busterboo, I've got one, I don't have to change gear, why because it changes gear itself i.e. AUTOMATICALLY end of story.

If you have one and you believe that, you're driving it wrong.

 

[jamie_z4]

 

[Pastry]

Surely tyres pressures and cracked alloys can be chucked into this argument somehow

 

[john-e89]

If you haven't tried DCT, don't think it's just an Auto. It isn't. Try one for a day and see.

I did....for 3 years.....which is why I’m selling it.

I discovered I didn’t like auto’s......

 

[Z4M-2006]

Some automated manul gearboxes are awful,SMG being one of them.... But the double clutch stuff like DCT,PDK,DSG etc etc are superb...

Ultimately some people just cant master technology...

It thins out the dinosaurs of the population...

 

[jamie_z4]

Surely tyres pressures and cracked alloys can be chucked into this argument somehow

18" e89 alloys statically don't crack you know :roll:

 

[jamie_z4]

Some automated manul gearboxes are awful,SMG being one of them.... But the double clutch stuff like DCT,PDK,DSG etc etc are superb...

Ultimately some people just cant master technology...

It thins out the dinosaurs of the population...

The ability isn't being questioned, it's what they are classed as (autos)

 

[Z4M-2006]

Some automated manul gearboxes are awful,SMG being one of them.... But the double clutch stuff like DCT,PDK,DSG etc etc are superb...

Ultimately some people just cant master technology...

It thins out the dinosaurs of the population...

The ability isn't being questioned, it's what they are classed as (autos)

Some automated manul gearboxes are awful,SMG being one of them.... But the double clutch stuff like DCT,PDK,DSG etc etc are superb...

Ultimately some people just cant master technology...

It thins out the dinosaurs of the population...

The ability isn't being questioned, it's what they are classed as (autos)

Class them how you like,you cant stop technology making stuff better,whatever the applcation

 

[Marlon]

If you haven't tried DCT, don't think it's just an Auto. It isn't. Try one for a day and see.

I did....for 3 years.....which is why I’m selling it.
. . .

Really John?

 

[jamie_z4]

Some automated manul gearboxes are awful,SMG being one of them.... But the double clutch stuff like DCT,PDK,DSG etc etc are superb...

Ultimately some people just cant master technology...

It thins out the dinosaurs of the population...

The ability isn't being questioned, it's what they are classed as (autos)

Some automated manul gearboxes are awful,SMG being one of them.... But the double clutch stuff like DCT,PDK,DSG etc etc are superb...

Ultimately some people just cant master technology...

It thins out the dinosaurs of the population...

The ability isn't being questioned, it's what they are classed as (autos)

Class them how you like,you cant stop technology making stuff better,whatever the applcation

Why you being so defensive. It's a fact that's stated by the dvla not an opinion jesus.

 

[john-e89]

If you haven't tried DCT, don't think it's just an Auto. It isn't. Try one for a day and see.

I did....for 3 years.....which is why I’m selling it.
. . .

Really John?

:?

Ermmm....you kindly straightened out the rotated pics on my advert Colin....

Started early tonight have we mate...(Hic...)... :drinkwine: :wink:

 

[mr wilks]

Just to re-iterate that my 10th Z4 was a manual box that required 100% intervention from the driver in order to change gears i didn't fancy the alternative box that did it all itself as & when it desired as then it wouldn't be controlled manually would it just sayin

 

[Z4M-2006]

The ability isn't being questioned, it's what they are classed as (autos)

The ability isn't being questioned, it's what they are classed as (autos)

Class them how you like,you cant stop technology making stuff better,whatever the applcation

Why you being so defensive. It's a fact that's stated by the dvla not an opinion jesus.

Not defensive in the slightest..

You or anyone can drive whatever you want,doesnt bother me.

What didnt you like about the double clutch cars you have owned ?

 

[Marlon]

I did....for 3 years.....which is why I’m selling it.
. . .

Really John?

:?

Ermmm....you kindly straightened out the rotated pics on my advert Colin....

Started early tonight have we mate...(Hic...)... :drinkwine: :wink:

sorry John - to clarify: I was asking did you sell because you didn't like the auto (DTC) ?

 

[jamie_z4]

Class them how you like,you cant stop technology making stuff better,whatever the applcation

Why you being so defensive. It's a fact that's stated by the dvla not an opinion jesus.

Not defensive in the slightest..

You or anyone can drive whatever you want,doesnt bother me.

What didnt you like about the double clutch cars you have owned ?

Can you quote where I've said I don't like anything about then please? My original post was in response to busterboo who said that they aren't an automatic where as in the eyes of the British law (I. E. The dvla) they are classed as an automatic, what is there to argue about that?