Z4 G29 Delivery Delays

[Scubaregs]

Don't understand this safety bit of the touchscreen argument. If using the idrive controller you still have one hand off the wheel and you still need to be looking at the screen to navigate to where you wish to be. It is no safer using the idrive controller than touching the screen.

 

[sars]

My car sat in final inspection for two weeks waiting for a part that was unavailable during production.

[ref]ori[/ref], My car is parked at Killinghome woohoo, I've been told it could be ready end of this week, but more likely next week

 

[Scubaregs]

Great news [ref]sars[/ref],

 

[ori]

My car sat in final inspection for two weeks waiting for a part that was unavailable during production.

[ref]ori[/ref], My car is parked at Killinghome woohoo, I've been told it could be ready end of this week, but more likely next week

Our cars were on the same boat! considering yours didn’t finish manufacturing until 2 weeks after mine it’s actually shocking logistics.

 

[q96169we]

I can’t believe that an external contracted out manufacturing plant will hold partly completed cars waiting for parts on a large scale

That's why BMW now decides to remove the touchscreen. Each factory should have a large car storage area as a buffer between car roled off production line and being taken away by carrier. Once an order is received, they schedule for production (including all parts) as it should. At this point, the assumption from the final assembly line's point view is that any specific part will be at the production line when it's needed. But somehow, the touchscreen hasn't arrived. In this case, the car must go ahead along each assembly station at the assembly line. (You can search on the tube about James May assembles Mini and messed up with two or three tailgate to see how the production line works when something went wrong) In this case, as it affects almost all cars scheduled to be built within a time window (a window that BMW don't know which specific parts will be delayed or they hope the delay can be solved before the buffer is full, but the car has already entered the production line), the factory has to store all affected cars and wait for the parts. Then, obviously, the storage becomes full and such mechanism no longer works. Therefore, the urgent decision from BMW is needed to free up the space in the storage so that the production line can keep going. Thus, BMW finds that if they get rid of touchscreen, then the cars in storage can be dumped to carrier in an acceptable pace and that's why they make such decision.

 

[Ed.Straker]

Don't understand this safety bit of the touchscreen argument. If using the idrive controller you still have one hand off the wheel and you still need to be looking at the screen to navigate to where you wish to be. It is no safer using the idrive controller than touching the screen.

Massive difference in human resources management.

Your eyes operate as one entity (unless you are certain types of amphibians)..so both eyes need and can only look in one place.

If you are looking at a screen you are not looking at the road.

Human brain uses about 80% of its available capacity to receive, process and initiate actions based on seeing things.

If you have a HUD then its better but even so your focus has to move from the far to the foreground to resolve the information.

With a touchscreen your eyes need to look at the screen, follow /direct your finger to the landing point, confirm the action and view the result.

Lack of tactile / other sensory clues further impair /overload the precious visual resource. The famous ' what the f&*k is it doing now'

With a mechanical knob, your arm/hand/fingers move, using a lower priority, less resource intensive, autonomous part of your brain.

That's why you can press a brake, turn the steering wheel, press the accelerator, operate a stalk all at the same time..

If that was a touch screen system you could only do one at any one time.

Also limbs/fingers acquire 'muscle memory' with the relevant part of the brain. So an action does not need conscious thought as proved by steering /braking etc.

So over a period of time if you use the idrive enough you learn to use all the 6 buttons as well reducing the interface time.

The tactile feedback from a physical device like a know or switch all helps that process.

All that reduces workload and leaves more resources available for the important bit, looking out of the windscreen!

 

[sars]

My car sat in final inspection for two weeks waiting for a part that was unavailable during production.

[ref]ori[/ref], My car is parked at Killinghome woohoo, I've been told it could be ready end of this week, but more likely next week

Our cars were on the same boat! considering yours didn’t finish manufacturing until 2 weeks after mine it’s actually shocking logistics.

So if it's at the dealer this week, are you still not taking delivery until January? I asked the dealer how many cars are being registered a week at the moment and was told about four! It's not a big dealership but even so that's horrendous

 

[q96169we]

Especially when the road is not fully flat, you need to focus on controlling your muscle precisely so that when you actually poke the screen, your finger tip lands at the correct position. The longer distance between you and the screen, the harder to to control the finger tip landing point. However, the less focus change needed by the eyes requires more distance between your eye and the screen. So, easier finger tip control and less eye focus change are kind of contradicted to each other. Plus, if you pressed the wrong place, you need to figure out how to cancel the previous wrong operation then re-perform the operation again.

 

[blaster1956]

My car sat in final inspection for two weeks waiting for a part that was unavailable during production.

[ref]ori[/ref], My car is parked at Killinghome woohoo, I've been told it could be ready end of this week, but more likely next week

Yay!! Get the champagne on ice!!

 

[Scubaregs]

Don't understand this safety bit of the touchscreen argument. If using the idrive controller you still have one hand off the wheel and you still need to be looking at the screen to navigate to where you wish to be. It is no safer using the idrive controller than touching the screen.

Massive difference in human resources management.

Your eyes operate as one entity (unless you are certain types of amphibians)..so both eyes need and can only look in one place.

If you are looking at a screen you are not looking at the road.

Human brain uses about 80% of its available capacity to receive, process and initiate actions based on seeing things.

If you have a HUD then its better but even so your focus has to move from the far to the foreground to resolve the information.

With a touchscreen your eyes need to look at the screen, follow /direct your finger to the landing point, confirm the action and view the result.

Lack of tactile / other sensory clues further impair /overload the precious visual resource. The famous ' what the f&*k is it doing now'

With a mechanical knob, your arm/hand/fingers move, using a lower priority, less resource intensive, autonomous part of your brain.

That's why you can press a brake, turn the steering wheel, press the accelerator, operate a stalk all at the same time..

If that was a touch screen system you could only do one at any one time.

Also limbs/fingers acquire 'muscle memory' with the relevant part of the brain. So an action does not need conscious thought as proved by steering /braking etc.

So over a period of time if you use the idrive enough you learn to use all the 6 buttons as well reducing the interface time.

The tactile feedback from a physical device like a know or switch all helps that process.

All that reduces workload and leaves more resources available for the important bit, looking out of the windscreen!

My point is you still need to look at the screen when using the controller, unless you have memorised the steps/route to take.

 

[B21]

I think the point the chap was making that a glance at a screen is a world away from prodding it with your digits.

In my Volvo I have a Volvo sat nav..similar style to iDrive UI..also I have an iPad running co-pilot sat nav app.

The two are next to each other, screen comfortably within reach.

I've set the iPad up with the chunkiest buttons etc..

Trying to interact with it whilst driving is a whole world of pain compared to the Volvo iDrive version.

Similar experience in the E89..gave up on phone/ipad ideas despite how much I love the rich functionality.

If you can confgure the app just to run then its better..so on co-pilot I have auto zoom on and turn highlight and then its fine.

Everytime I have to reach to cancel /adjust something its the same old story.

In part the problem with a touch screen is there is no physical support for the finger..with a button or know your finger can 'grip' it and stop floating around.

The faster you go, the bumpier the roads the worse the situation compounds.

On a related note when we were training pilots to use the first generation of glass cockpits it took hours and hours to learn how to use them, even with soft keys that physically you pushed compared to how easily they would fly a plane with an old fashioned radio stack with everything in knobs and buttons.

Of course they either have two crew and /or an auto pilot and can afford to stare in the cockpit for 5-10 seconds at a time..

 

[ori]

[ref]sars[/ref], nah. I’m collecting at weekend if it hits the dealer this week. I said if car arrives November I’ll take it. If it arrives December I’ll delay. They are expecting a few cars so hopefully next day or so. Who knows with BMW logistics!?!

 

[Argyll Andy]

[ref]sars[/ref], [ref]ori[/ref],

Congratulations to both of you, it’s seems like it’s been forever but it’ll definitely be worth the wait :happyclap: :happyclap: :happyclap: :happyclap:

 

[ori]

[ref]sars[/ref], [ref]ori[/ref],

Congratulations to both of you, it’s seems like it’s been forever but it’ll definitely be worth the wait :happyclap: :happyclap: :happyclap: :happyclap:

Thanks Andy! You’ve suffered along side me on this one!!!

 

[q96169we]

[ref]sars[/ref], [ref]ori[/ref],

Congratulations to both of you, it’s seems like it’s been forever but it’ll definitely be worth the wait :happyclap: :happyclap: :happyclap: :happyclap:

Thanks Andy! You’ve suffered along side me on this one!!!

I would like to join Andy for the congratulations as well.

 

[sars]

[ref]ori[/ref], Oh wow, excited yet
[ref]Argyll Andy[/ref], [ref]q96169we[/ref], Thanks guys, it feels like we’ve all been waiting for these two beauties to arrive

 

[q96169we]

it feels like we’ve all been waiting for these two beauties to arrive

The length of this thread indicates how keen we've all been waiting for them to arrive.

 

[sars]

Hello and welcome.

That’s one of the longer delays we’ve come across, particularly for a 20i. Most of the delays appear to be affecting the M40i’s.

I started this thread about delays and availability. Throughout this thread there’s various people saying they’re hitting delays, mainly Ori and Sars, but it’s weeks rather than months. Both their cars are due very soon and about 4 weeks behind schedule.

https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=131300

[ref]q96169we[/ref], Indeed 12 pages later, above is Andy’s post on the 20th October at which point our cars were about a month late, so now we are into months plural late, hopefully nearly there

 

[blaster1956]

Hello and welcome.

That’s one of the longer delays we’ve come across, particularly for a 20i. Most of the delays appear to be affecting the M40i’s.

I started this thread about delays and availability. Throughout this thread there’s various people saying they’re hitting delays, mainly Ori and Sars, but it’s weeks rather than months. Both their cars are due very soon and about 4 weeks behind schedule.

https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=131300

[ref]q96169we[/ref], Indeed 12 pages later, above is Andy’s post on the 20th October at which point our cars were about a month late, so now we are into months plural late, hopefully nearly there

Indeed some are very close now at least, others a few months of patience still needed! A little bit of potential good news today, my build has just come forward from end Jan to first week of Jan - I’m sure it will move back again soon, but it gave me a smile for today at least!

I hope you and Ori will be providing lots of pics to whet the appetite for those of us still waiting!!

 

[sars]

The car is at the dealers, I'm so excited