Z4 Automatic Coupe's

oo7ml

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Hi,

I test drove an automatic coupe and i am curious as to how the paddles on the steering wheel work as the owner did not have much knowledge about them...

1 - can you leave the gearbox in "paddle mode" 100% of the time or does the gearbox take over if you are above or below the suggested gear...
2 - can you have your foot planted and drop a gear on the paddle at the same time...

thanks in advance...
 
Only have very limited experience of the BMW gearbox, but...

1. It will always change down if you get too low and it will change up if you hit the redline too. The only auto gearbox I know of that will let you bounce off the limiter without changing is fitted to AMG Mercs.

2. You could drop a gear or two on the paddles with no worries.

Taz mentioned this in another thread, but the paddles can become a bit of a gimmick - if you floor it past the kickdown switch it will change down to the most accelerative gear anyway, so why use the paddles? My SLK (which never had paddles) would change straight from 7th to 3rd or 2nd if the speed was right, without any intermediate changes.
 
Thanks for your reply... "A bit of a gimmick..." that is my worry, i really don't want an automatic car and i thought that the paddles would give you more control of the car...
 
I've just bought my fourth BMW (a manual Z4 Coupe). I only got a manual because the (otherwise) right car came along at the right price. My last car was a 325 Coupe (Auto) and I have driven an auto Z4 Coupe.

My view is that auto (as in Steptronic or the Porsche version Tiptronic) is so good now that there is very little reason to want anything else on a road car. I drive very fast as a habit but I still have to contend with everyday traffic. Auto makes stop/start & slow moving traffic painless whereas a manual car is a pain in these conditions.

With the auto box you tend to leave them in auto (or perhaps Sport if you are in a hurry). The reason for the paddles (which I agree are a bit of a gimmick) or a dab on the lever is normally to change down eg so that you can take a roundabout in 2nd or 3rd and be ready to powerout. It's also handy in town (stick it in third and you'll tend to do 30, in Drive the speed will tend to creep up to 40/50 - Really!) On a couple of occasions when I had the misfortune to have to drive the 325 in the snow it also helps to be able to pull away in a higher gear. I guess there may be odd occasions where if you are a very good driver, very familiar with your car and driving in the sort of way that would be very hard to defend on the road you might be accelerating in a long bend and want to change up before it to avoid a change mid bend but I can't think that I've ever needed it (gearchanges are so smooth any way that you would need to be absolutely on the limit for it to be a big problem).

Incidentally my 325 would change up at the indicated redline automatically. THere would be no drop in power before the change - this makes it very easy to drive flat out and in practice puts you at an advantage over drivers of manual cars that are trying to keep up (on the road).

I imagine that manual cars have the redline set higher so if your not slick with the timing of your gear changes your likely to go past peak power and lose your rate of acceleration before changing up every now and then.

I know that people feel very passionately about manual cars but speaking as someone that has owned a lot of cars, knows a lot about how they work and drives a lot (and fast) I fail to see why you would ever want anything other than a modern auto (unless you drive on the track a lot - but frankly even then.....) :fuelfire:
 
i would agree nowadays autos are so good that fuel economy and 0-60 times are better than manuals, the autos can change gears in milliseconds...... the only reason to go for a modern manual is if you prefer the fun of shifting gears and being in control of that aspect of driving
 
mine is the auto, i went for auto cos i am lazy

i seldom use the paddles because i just don't feel i ever need to - the autobox just works

driving around town the car is very smooth and when i decide to drive spirited the box can change faster than i would in a manual
 
envy said:
i would agree nowadays autos are so good that fuel economy and 0-60 times are better than manuals, the autos can change gears in milliseconds......

It also appears on a poll that ran last year that the Auto's require a lot less oil 'topping up' - presumably as they dont get redline'd or dont have the potential to be thrashed as much as the manual
 
Stop twisting my arm :)

Thanks for all the help guys...

If i am in "paddle shift mode" and floor it... when does the auto box kick in and change the gear up, as in at what RPM roughly
 
My daily commute is 70 odd miles so I wanted an auto. Pumping the clutch in stop start traffic tends to get tiresome after a while. In my younger years it was always manuals (not that I am old!), now I will only buy autos. Frankly most people can't drive a manual properly anyway, and the auto is slick as it goes through the gears.
 
Agree ! I have a auto/ paddles in my 335d and love it ! Manual in zed coupe , if driving town auto is great , don't know if auto box in zeds has sports mode like mine ! If so sports mode & paddles happy dayz !
 
I'm too much of a control freak :oops:

Perhaps it's because I've not driven a modern auto (other than a VW DSG which I hated), but the ones I've tried ALL changed gear at inopportune moments, e.g. when blasting around a corner. That's equivalent to lifting off the throttle or braking while cornering, i.e. upsetting the car's balance, which can be pretty dangerous if you're travelling quickly. For that reason I'd always take a manual over an auto.
 
I just drove in the German mountains last weekend in my (auto) X5, and going downhill was a nightmare. It just switches down and revs to 4500 (it is a diesel) and will not shift up no matter what until it feels like it. Not pleasant.

I like control, and you will only have control in a manual. Auto is fine for UK town traffic, not for "real" driving.
 
Digging up an old thread.

How should an automatic z4 change gears? I mean should it be seamless and unnoticeable? Is it very different under different loads?
I got mine refurbished and it's far from it :headbang:
 
The auto box in the E85/86 is the same as that fitted to a lot of 3/5 series of the time.

Depending on how you drive will make a difference to when it changes gear and also how smooth it is. If you want it to change up earlier back off slightly and it should up change if the conditions are right. You can't labour the engine as it will auto shift down to suit.

To answer your question although it is an older ZF box it should still be relatively smooth. I believe you can also do a manual reset on them.
 
Wondermike said:
Only have very limited experience of the BMW gearbox, but...

1. The only auto gearbox I know of that will let you bounce off the limiter without changing is fitted to AMG Mercs.

The ZF boxes in BMW's will do this when in Sport Plus mode.
 
Mine (roadster) is really smooth and very quick to change gears. Unlike my wife's more modern Evoque which has a ZF9HP 9 speed box but can be disappointingly jerky.
Newer isn't always better :x
 
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