Yet another I'm sure controversial subject (Sanctions)
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No there won't be, but there will be the ones who take any job as its better than nothing.
Its the ones who have never had a job, and will never want a job because we are too soft on them that we should do something about, they spoil it for the genuine ones.
Like someone said the guy that looks like a tramp knows he's not getting a job because he looks like a tramp, FFS smarten up get a job and look like a tramp at weekends like the rest of us!!
Its the ones who have never had a job, and will never want a job because we are too soft on them that we should do something about, they spoil it for the genuine ones.
Like someone said the guy that looks like a tramp knows he's not getting a job because he looks like a tramp, FFS smarten up get a job and look like a tramp at weekends like the rest of us!!
lux good said:
Absolutely right
I myself was made redundant for the third time in 44 years in Aug 2008 from a senior position, didn’t get a massive payout, within two weeks had another job at a third of the salary I had been on, its taken me since then to work my way back up through determination, dedication, commitment and hard work, its not been easy but I was determined to make it work.
If people are trying, genuinely trying then I’m sure no one would have a problem with them getting help from the benefit system.
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I too claimed dole between college and uni, but it backfired cos my gran was very ill with cancer and I was staying with her in Devon....then I had to go home (to Wales) to sign on, and she passed away. Suddenly the £70 free money every other week didn't seem that valuable.
When I finished uni, I'd moved out within a week and had a job within 2 weeks.
Since I finished Uni I have been in work, so never had to claim. If I lost my job, I would be well and truly stuffed, cos I live well beyond my means and have no savings. Even a pay cut would bugger me up! I couldn't live on benefits with all my debts, so I would need a job, but doubt theres anything round here on the same salary.
I would take any benefits I was entitled too, but it wouldn't be long, cos I simply couldn't afford to live on that money.
I have no problem with people claiming benefits if they genuinely need it, but the scroungers who have no intention of working are the ones that get me. If you want to work, but can't find any, thats one thing, but if you actively seek to avoid work, why should the state support you?
When I finished uni, I'd moved out within a week and had a job within 2 weeks.
Since I finished Uni I have been in work, so never had to claim. If I lost my job, I would be well and truly stuffed, cos I live well beyond my means and have no savings. Even a pay cut would bugger me up! I couldn't live on benefits with all my debts, so I would need a job, but doubt theres anything round here on the same salary.
I would take any benefits I was entitled too, but it wouldn't be long, cos I simply couldn't afford to live on that money.
I have no problem with people claiming benefits if they genuinely need it, but the scroungers who have no intention of working are the ones that get me. If you want to work, but can't find any, thats one thing, but if you actively seek to avoid work, why should the state support you?
i still do not think this is complex
contributory social security could be made to work, so if you lose your job, you get paid according to how long you have contributed into the system
and if you dont get a job after a period of time- you get no money
and if you never work, you get nothing
contributory social security could be made to work, so if you lose your job, you get paid according to how long you have contributed into the system
and if you dont get a job after a period of time- you get no money
and if you never work, you get nothing
what if they have children?
Finisterre said:
Seriously Finisterre, don't wrestle a pig, you get dirty and the pig enjoys it. Some on here would seem happy to boil the economically useless down for bio diesel.
When you're coming out with this stuff just think of some poor bloke with 2 kids waking up in Portsmouth this morning who knows full well he'll never earn what he earned and the life he had planned won't now happen. All these clowns with the same story of 'I worked down the pit from 6 years old and never claimed a penny' forget they've lived through a job / economic boom time made possible by the dead of WW2. The jobs just ain't there now.
As for not paying out if you haven't paid in... What about the disabled? What about the elderly who haven't paid enough stamp? What do you want to do with them, leave them by the road to die?
It's human nature to take advantage of a situation but the advantage some are taking is so minute in comparison to other fraud it's not worth worrying about.
Wake up and realise it's divide and conquer, the oldest game in the world.
While we're people bashing. . .
Lets have a word about exploitive bankers and parts of the legal profession. . . the exploitive builders and con artists . . .it's a question of intent?
what about the amazingly high salaries paid to some (even when they fail!)
or is that too controversial?
Seems to me (as always) there is a tendency to lump together folk - some who don't deserve it.
However difficult, we should be sorting the individuals who do exploit and take advantage - what about the 'system' rather than the people - but lets be aware that happens at all levels and in all parts of society - the responses of some don't surprise me (and there are terrific people out there) - it is frustrating - but let's not lump all together when dealing with it - that route raises a great deal of concern!
Lets have a word about exploitive bankers and parts of the legal profession. . . the exploitive builders and con artists . . .it's a question of intent?
what about the amazingly high salaries paid to some (even when they fail!)
or is that too controversial?
Seems to me (as always) there is a tendency to lump together folk - some who don't deserve it.
However difficult, we should be sorting the individuals who do exploit and take advantage - what about the 'system' rather than the people - but lets be aware that happens at all levels and in all parts of society - the responses of some don't surprise me (and there are terrific people out there) - it is frustrating - but let's not lump all together when dealing with it - that route raises a great deal of concern!
indizee said:You and I will go to hell for this.
RANT Mode:ON
Like you, I have been employed all my working life, and have been fortunate enough to have had a wage to pay every months tax and NI over the last 31 years I have worked since the age of 16.
But it's not all luck. It is because I am professional, conciencious and want to do well. Well dress, polite and timely in my work. So my employer is happy to employ me. Its no wonder they get turned away from interviews or even applications. They just dont make em like it any more.
Im fed up with scroungers, immigrants, lazy good for nothings, scum, crims and people who think the Law, rules and "the right thing" doesnt apply to them.
Yes , that means you to, Mr [email protected], if you cant be bothered to go round the one way and just drive past a NO ENTRY, or Mr itailgateyoucosimamiddleagedtwat.com thinks he is going to intimidate me by driving so close....well, you can overtake me when I allow you, buttface.
RANT Mode: OFF
feeling better now, having a Snickers
+1
Finisterre said:
food tokens / means testing / free school meals (which they will get anyway) - - having children should be their driver to get work, not the excuse to hide behind to demand money
working has somehow turned into an option for some, and i would like to separate those that can but wont, and make it less comfortable for them so that we can spend a little more on those that genuinely cant
I think that if we feel we need to care for everyone (and i am not sure that i do) it isnt fair that people that dont work have better lifestyles than people that do but get low wages what ever nationality.
it isnt my biggest gripe about the government by any means. we throw more billions away on unpaid taxes we choose not to chase, wars we dont want, various memberships of dubious value, (UN, NATO, Europe), a seemingly endless ability to fix anyone from anywhere for free on our NHS .....
the poor from this country and every other is seen as an easy target, there are other potentially more worthy fights out there.....
Im not an expert on any of this, and its only an opinion and I respect that everyone has theirs and ultimately apparently we get the government we deserve. But as a nation I dont believe that we get a good return on the tax we pay
lux good said:
Chuff me, I actually agree with you for once
:lol: I think we will see this more and more, the lazy kids who don't want to work and want to lie in bed til afternoon then get up and play ps3 all day. The majority of this generation, and subsequent ones, that are at school now think the world owes them. In fact I've noticed an increase in that attitude over the past 10 years. I'm not saying all kids of course but I do think the problem is worsening.
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Merrsh1 said:
Because we've paid into the system for retirement/NHS for 50 years, a single person Government pension is £110.15 per wk :lol: I hope you don't mind this
GBG said:Because we've paid into the system for retirement/NHS for 50 years, a single person Government pension is £110.15 per wk :lol: I hope you don't mind this
You live out your dotage on the tax payers expense and the inevitable hospital stays you'll still take out more than you paid in. I don't mind at all, some do though.
Merrsh1 said:
Live out your dotage on the tax payers expense, really don't see a problem with this if you have spent 50 years+ paying into the system
GBG said:Because we've paid into the system for retirement/NHS for 50 years, a single person Government pension is £110.15 per wk :lol: I hope you don't mind this
The point is pensioners for the most part have contributed and paid into the system for 50 years and more in some cases.
There’s a big difference to someone who has never worked for no good reason.
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Merrsh1 said:GBG said:Because we've paid into the system for retirement/NHS for 50 years, a single person Government pension is £110.15 per wk :lol: I hope you don't mind this
You live out your dotage on the tax payers expense and the inevitable hospital stays you'll still take out more than you paid in. I don't mind at all, some do though.
I'm afraid you haven't a clue what I've paid in or how little I've used the system thus far :roll:
Carol M said:
I think you are right, I have also noticed this, there are also those young people that think they should start their working life at the top of the ladder in everyway, they don’t seem to get that you have to prove your worth and work hard to get to the top.
chris g said:
I understand the annoyance and I agree that we are being taken advantage of by a small minority. Work should always pay. I just can't see a way to exclude the scroungers while supporting the needy. The feckless are needy, their children are blameless and must be given the same chances as any other child.
Until the majority are prepared to see homeless children being sold on the street we are going to have to keep coughing up. It is a rubbish system but the alternatives are worse. imo.
Errrrm I resemble that remark, I watch jezza at work during a breaklux good said: