Yet another I'm sure controversial subject (Sanctions)

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Converted Steve

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More than 400,000 people have lost Jobseeker's Allowance under new government sanctions aimed at ensuring they actively seek work.

Some 580,000 sanctions were handed down between October 2012 and June 2013, a 6% rise on the same period a year earlier, before rules were toughened.

Reasons for withdrawal of the benefit range from leaving a job voluntarily to failing to attend an interview.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24833627

It's about time the Government started getting tough on the work shy and those lazy b****** that think they have the right to choose a life on benefits; I’m sure I will get a slating on here for my view.

I started work as an Indentured Apprentice at 16 some 44 years ago, I have never claimed any sort of benefit in all of my working life, I dread to think how much I have paid into the welfare state its got to be somewhere near half a million or maybe more. It makes me so angry when I hear all this crap about not being able to work and all the frankly pathetic excuses.

They interviewed one scruffy git on BBC News at lunchtime because he had been given sanctions because he wasn’t actively looking for work; his excuse was as soon as employers look at him they turn him away so he has given up. I’m not surprised that they take one look at him then turn him away, he had made no effort at all, dirty scruffy tramp, I’m sure these people do this deliberately.

I recently advertised a job in Facilities Management for 3 weeks, very reasonable pay scale, local authority position, lots of training, good prospects, I had one applicant and he was a guy who was in his later years had retired at 55 then decided to come back to work.

Nowhere else in the world would you get away with choosing a life style on benefits.

And before anyone says how come I watched BBC lunch time News, I'm on a rare weeks leave :)
 
Converted Steve said:
More than 400,000 people have lost Jobseeker's Allowance under new government sanctions aimed at ensuring they actively seek work.

Some 580,000 sanctions were handed down between October 2012 and June 2013, a 6% rise on the same period a year earlier, before rules were toughened.

Reasons for withdrawal of the benefit range from leaving a job voluntarily to failing to attend an interview.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24833627

It's about time the Government started getting tough on the work shy and those lazy b****** that think they have the right to choose a life on benefits; I’m sure I will get a slating on here for my view.

I started work as an Indentured Apprentice at 16 some 44 years ago, I have never claimed any sort of benefit in all of my working life, I dread to think how much I have paid into the welfare state its got to be somewhere near half a million or maybe more. It makes me so angry when I hear all this crap about not being able to work and all the frankly pathetic excuses.

They interviewed one scruffy git on BBC News at lunchtime because he had been given sanctions because he wasn’t actively looking for work; his excuse was as soon as employers look at him they turn him away so he has given up. I’m not surprised that they take one look at him then turn him away, he had made no effort at all, dirty scruffy tramp, I’m sure these people do this deliberately.

I recently advertised a job in Facilities Management for 3 weeks, very reasonable pay scale, local authority position, lots of training, good prospects, I had one applicant and he was a guy who was in his later years had retired at 55 then decided to come back to work.

Nowhere else in the world would you get away with choosing a life style on benefits.

And before anyone says how come I watched BBC lunch time News, I'm on a rare weeks leave :)
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couldn't agree more! makes me sick!
 
when I want health care or justice I expect the government service to be polite and helpful. Why wouldn't I deserve the same courtesy if I am redundant or otherwise unwaged?

I think your attitude is ignorant and indicative of the general lack of good manners that have made this country a less pleasant place to live.
 
I'd like to know how many of them were dropped off disability allowance after failing a so called medical test.

Declaration of interest - I have a friend with muscular dystrophy who has first hand experience with those asshats at ATOS
 
Finisterre said:
when I want health care or justice I expect the government service to be polite and helpful. Why wouldn't I deserve the same courtesy if I am redundant or otherwise unwaged?

I think your attitude is ignorant and indicative of the general lack of good manners that have made this country a less pleasant place to live.
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Been made redundant 3 times during my working life, still never claimed benefits, If you’re prepared to work there is always some thing around
 
You and I will go to hell for this.

RANT Mode:ON

Like you, I have been employed all my working life, and have been fortunate enough to have had a wage to pay every months tax and NI over the last 31 years I have worked since the age of 16.
But it's not all luck. It is because I am professional, conciencious and want to do well. Well dress, polite and timely in my work. So my employer is happy to employ me. Its no wonder they get turned away from interviews or even applications. They just dont make em like it any more.

Im fed up with scroungers, immigrants, lazy good for nothings, scum, crims and people who think the Law, rules and "the right thing" doesnt apply to them.
Yes , that means you to, Mr [email protected], if you cant be bothered to go round the one way and just drive past a NO ENTRY, or Mr itailgateyoucosimamiddleagedtwat.com thinks he is going to intimidate me by driving so close....well, you can overtake me when I allow you, buttface.

RANT Mode: OFF

feeling better now, having a Snickers :D
 
:lol: Bollocks to the work shy scumbags I say.....if I wasn't working would the government give me enough cash to pay for my massive house, sports car (or GT some might say) and 4 x 4?.... no they would not!! :rofl:
 
I'm 50 / 50 with this. Not everyone on benefits is a lazy scumbag, but there are those who take advantage.

The benefits bill though is utterly dwarfed by tax avoidance and wasteful spending in government. The biggest group of benefit claimants are pensioners...To take your argument to its conclusion why should someone retire at 65 and receive a state pension and free health care for upto another 35 years?

What would you do? 'Soylent green' the old bastards? Execute the young unemployed?

The governement want you pissed off at these groups of people so they can keep propping up the banks, over inflating the housing market and devaluing your wages via runaway inflation.

Wise up.
 
Merrsh1 said:
I'm 50 / 50 with this. Not everyone on benefits is a lazy scumbag, but there are those who take advantage.

The benefits bill though is utterly dwarfed by tax avoidance and wasteful spending in government. The biggest group of benefit claimants are pensioners...To take your argument to its conclusion why should someone retire at 65 and receive a state pension and free health care for upto another 35 years?

What would you do? 'Soylent green' the old bastards? Execute the young unemployed?

The governement want you pissed off at these groups of people so they can keep propping up the banks, over inflating the housing market and devaluing your wages via runaway inflation.

Wise up.
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Don't like work shy scroungers, not many people do but I agree with you completely. It's the bandits down in Westminster that keep the masses pointing the finger at each other and calmly loot the public purse. They refer to the people as SHEEP-LE ...Baa. They've been taking the piss throughout history, nothing new.

Enlightened post :thumbsup:
 
the DHSS attitude to the unemployed encourages resentment and resentment breeds disconnected citizens. To a certain extent we are setting ourselves up to be ripped off. We have an ungracious penny pinching mealy mouthed condescending and begrudging polity. Who wouldn't begin to fall into an entitlement mindset as a defense?
 
What a wonderful subject ......

Like the boys above, I've a lifetime of work without a penny in benefits .... But thats probably because the "benefits" available in my time wouldn't buy an ice cream, never mind allow you to live and have a social life.

And to be honest, as a teenager .... Would I have been so eager to go to work, if I could have stayed in bed for the same money ........ Hmmmmmmmm ..... Toughie.

I've said this before on here ..... But its very true ....... If just a small percentage of these here errrrr "lazy bastards" would get off their arse and get after it ....... Quite a lot of us older workaholics would be out of work ....

No sense moaning about it, its not going to change overnight ...... And think about this, when they are all in their 30's and the money has all run out, their will be thousands of new generation kids coming after their existence, basically the only ones that are fecked .... Are themslves ..... :D
 
Granted, the UK is a little more worse -off than where I live but we do have similar issues. Perhaps the "asshats" have become jaded by the constant flow of scumbags and shirkers who pass before them and occasionally miss the person who really needs help. Maybe they need a separate line up with different (competent) staff for the first timer or the disabled at the Employment bureau ?

As a retired person I can't wait to turn 60 and start getting my money back, yes, I paid a lot to the govt pension plan over the years and I will max out at the incredible sum of $1000 before tax every month. Five years later I will get another $500 a month. But the government that we elect can retire with 5 times that amount after working for a quarter of the time the rest of us have to work. A**holes the lot of them.!!
 
Z4MO said:
Merrsh1 said:
I'm 50 / 50 with this. Not everyone on benefits is a lazy scumbag, but there are those who take advantage.

The benefits bill though is utterly dwarfed by tax avoidance and wasteful spending in government. The biggest group of benefit claimants are pensioners...To take your argument to its conclusion why should someone retire at 65 and receive a state pension and free health care for upto another 35 years?

What would you do? 'Soylent green' the old bastards? Execute the young unemployed?

The governement want you pissed off at these groups of people so they can keep propping up the banks, over inflating the housing market and devaluing your wages via runaway inflation.

Wise up.
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Don't like work shy scroungers, not many people do but I agree with you completely. It's the bandits down in Westminster that keep the masses pointing the finger at each other and calmly loot the public purse. They refer to the people as SHEEP-LE ...Baa. They've been taking the piss throughout history, nothing new.

Enlightened post :thumbsup:
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+1
 
I am not sure if this is right, but I read somewhere that in some states in the US will only pay benefits if you work, what they mean is they will help you i.e. if you work but earn below what is considered reasonable they will make up the difference to ensure you have enough to live. They feel that everyone should make a contribution to their upkeep and will not help people who won't help themselves, if you don't work you get nothing, maybe we need to look at this sort of thing ?
 
Right here goes (Armour on)
I Claimed Unemployment Benefit.
:chophead::chophead::chophead::chophead:
For a whole week between being made redundant from my summer job and starting university.
I was off work for two weeks, but my contract meant my employers didn't give me work in the last week.
Before you all come after me with pitchforks, I have not claimed since, despite being made redundant twice and having six months off work to have a careerbreak/temporary retirement.

So the Government is now saying that people who are capable should be made to do things for the community that would not otherwise get done, in order to be entitled to their welfare payments.
The problem is that the Government Bodies/councils etc would then use this labour to cull its own workforce as they can get it done for free. Soon you end up in a communist state because the "free working council" can enter all other markets and undercut private company rivals in anything they do because they can get free labour and their rivals can't.
Didn't this already happen (the swapping of paid for unpaid labour, not communism) at the supermarkets, where "interns/trainees" were just told to go and stack shelves and all the shelf stackers got their hours cut?

So the end result of Tory Government Policy is Communism.
Which I don't think would have been the desired effect.
 
I wonder how long it will take before those 1775 very unfortunate shipbuilders who don't manage to gain equally paid employment get labelled "work shy" or "lazy bast*rds" when they have no option but to apply for the benefits they are fully entitled to? I feel for them and their families with such grim futures
 
I think you're missing the point here. No one has said that people shouldn't claim benefits, its the work shy, Jeremy Kyle watchers that we should do something about.
I'm sure that if you offered every one of those shipbuilders another job, even if it was something completely different, the majority would take it.
People who don't make any effort to find work can go hungry in my book. I know it's difficult but its not impossible!
 
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