www.bmminiparts.com - Useless jokers, advice needed

AndyBeech

Senior member
 Wiltshire
I'll keep this short but in a nutshell I'd avoid Toby and this 'business' like the plague. Probably fine if you get your parts, useless if not. The only company I know where they don't even supply a telephone number to get hold of them, don't like complaints with someone personally maybe?

Anyway, I ordered some parts mid June, a few O-rings, little bits that were in stock apparently, would fit in a palm sized envelope. Came to around £13 altogether. I did note on the website that there were delays due to a move or whatever with sending out orders, fair enough, I can wait a week, didn't specify how long these delays were in any case.

Anywho, gets to a week, nothing. So, send an email off asking when I can expect delivery, nothing, ignored. Couple of days later, another email just asking for an update, nothing again, ignored. By this point it's been over a week and to be honest, I can now get the parts from BMW cheaper as they now have them in stock. As the parts haven't been sent out yet by Toby, and I've had NO communication to tell me when to expect these parts I ask if I can cancel and get a refund, expecting that to be the end of it. Surprise surprise I get a response to this email almost straight away!

Just to be clear, If I had had some communication to tell me when I could expect the items, I would have stuck with it, but having been ignored twice I wasn't really in a forgiving mood so just wanted a refund now. Cue Toby getting a bit huffy and explaining how he's just spent 45 minutes looking for my item and then 10 minutes later I get the standard 'item dispatched' email contrary to my refund request, although presumably to try and appease me (he hadn't sent them, lie number 1). As I stated to him, I just wanted a refund, nothing personal but now I could get the parts from BMW cheaper (they weren't in stock originally before you ask why I didn't order from them in the first place) so a refund is perfectly fair in my eyes. Cue a bit more huffiness about me 'not reading the (badly designed) website' 'in the middle of a move' etc etc. Yes yes, realise this, I'm not debating that, I'm well within my rights to request a refund, which should have been straight forward, seeing as the parts haven't even been sent yet.

As of todays date after various emails requesting an update on the refund which I asked for on the 16/6/15, I still have nothing, just a few excuses - the move itself, he had a broken rib during the move, and now he's had his first baby in the last few weeks, both bars to pressing a few buttons on a computer presumably. To be honest I'm doubting whether any of this is true anyway now.

On top of that, he's now playing dumb, asking for the order confirmation number which I've given him four times, and now he wants the order confirmation email (which I don't have for some reason, I checked out as a guest?!) pretending no doubt he has no record of my order (my credit card statement says otherwise). He's acknowledged my order on a number of occasions in any case as he spent 45 minutes looking for it apparently! It's now gone quiet again on the email front and with no phone number to contact him on, I'm sick to death of chasing this muppet up. I wouldn't mind if I'd asked for something outrageous, a refund before the parts have even been sent seems a buyers right to me.


I know it's small potatoes in the scheme of things, but it's a matter of principle now and I want my money back. So what options do I have, I've already mentioned I will pursue through the small claims court if necessary, I really don't want to as I can't be arsed with the hassle but at the moment he has my money and seemingly has no intention of giving it back! What are my choices?
 
Credit card?
Simple.

ring your credit card and report it as fraud.
you'll get your money back immediately, and your cc company will get in touch with him for you.
Having proof of your refund request, lack of email responses, and the quite "standard" excuses such as moving, being injured, having a baby, etc, won't wash with the cc company.

I had a similar experience when buying some bits for a Nissan many moons ago.
I gave up dealing with the company after three weeks, spoke to my cc company, and they got it solved within two days.
 
sk93 said:
Credit card?
Simple.

ring your credit card and report it as fraud.
you'll get your money back immediately, and your cc company will get in touch with him for you.
Having proof of your refund request, lack of email responses, and the quite "standard" excuses such as moving, being injured, having a baby, etc, won't wash with the cc company.

I had a similar experience when buying some bits for a Nissan many moons ago.
I gave up dealing with the company after three weeks, spoke to my cc company, and they got it solved within two days.

Awesome, I'll give them a shout, for some reason I thought they would only be interested over £100, cheers :thumbsup:
 
Cheers for the advice chaps, didn't even think about raising it with the CC to be fair as the charge was so low, rung Halifax and they're on the case now! I'll leave this thread up though as a warning that this business and Toby can potentially be a pain in the ass if things go wrong, I've no doubt a lot of people use him without problem, but apparently if you want a refund he throws his toys out the pram, a lot like another company I'm dealing with at the moment, what ever happened to decent customer service! I've had the worst experiences dealing with independents since getting this car, Redish Motorsport and James being the exception to this.
 
Registrant Name: Toby Brittain
Registrant Organization: Parts Auction Ltd
Registrant Street: 21 Inchcross Drive
Registrant City: Bathgate
Registrant State/Province: West Lothian
Registrant Postal Code: EH48 2HD
Registrant Country: GB
Registrant Phone: +44.7788666607
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: [email protected]
 
Getting the bank involved may hasten the process but I'd simply write a letter outlining your issues and giving 7 days to refund. If no response then give a final 7 days included in a letter before action. If still no response/refund then issue a County Court claim.
The fees soon add up and are a pretty good method of punishing companies where it hurts!
 
Never had a problem myself, ordered over £500 of parts from them. Can't please everyone I guess.
 
AndyBeech said:
sk93 said:
Credit card?
Simple.

ring your credit card and report it as fraud.
you'll get your money back immediately, and your cc company will get in touch with him for you.
Having proof of your refund request, lack of email responses, and the quite "standard" excuses such as moving, being injured, having a baby, etc, won't wash with the cc company.

I had a similar experience when buying some bits for a Nissan many moons ago.
I gave up dealing with the company after three weeks, spoke to my cc company, and they got it solved within two days.

Awesome, I'll give them a shout, for some reason I thought they would only be interested over £100, cheers :thumbsup:

They are only interested in claims under Section 75 of the CCA where you are seeking to invoke their responsibility for goods costing over £100 (single item) For those they will put the item in dispute and get your money back from the merchant (sellers bank). Takes weeks but will be done. Even then they try to get you to resolve with the seller first and provide proof you've tried.

If you call they may try to help, but have little legal power or right to do so as it's clearly not a fraudulent transaction (unless you can clearly demonstrate the retailer set out to permanently deprive you), rather just a sloppy poor retailer.

Although I empathise with your pain and annoyance I'd persist with the retailer for now over what is really a trivial amount.
 
Scooba_Steve said:
Getting the bank involved may hasten the process but I'd simply write a letter outlining your issues and giving 7 days to refund. If no response then give a final 7 days included in a letter before action. If still no response/refund then issue a County Court claim.
The fees soon add up and are a pretty good method of punishing companies where it hurts!

Kind of did that to be honest, fobbed it off and just asked for my order number (again!) and then the email confirmation, then nothing. I would be happy to go down that route to be honest seeing as he clearly thinks he's clever by messing people around.

I'm sure lots of people have used him with no troubles. A measure of a business for me though is when things don't quite go right, how they react and deal with it. On the evidence of Toby's total lack of give a s**t or professionalism I wouldn't trust him with 50 pence of my money let alone £500. Plus, I only realised in the last few week he doesn't even have a contact number, I know why now. Christ, all I wanted was a refund on parts not even sent yet, heaven forbid parts had to be sent back or there were other complications.
I'm all for supporting the smaller business usually but I'll be back to using BMW from now on.
 
cj10jeeper said:
AndyBeech said:
sk93 said:
Credit card?
Simple.

ring your credit card and report it as fraud.
you'll get your money back immediately, and your cc company will get in touch with him for you.
Having proof of your refund request, lack of email responses, and the quite "standard" excuses such as moving, being injured, having a baby, etc, won't wash with the cc company.

I had a similar experience when buying some bits for a Nissan many moons ago.
I gave up dealing with the company after three weeks, spoke to my cc company, and they got it solved within two days.

Awesome, I'll give them a shout, for some reason I thought they would only be interested over £100, cheers :thumbsup:

They are only interested in claims under Section 75 of the CCA where you are seeking to invoke their responsibility for goods costing over £100 (single item) For those they will put the item in dispute and get your money back from the merchant (sellers bank). Takes weeks but will be done. Even then they try to get you to resolve with the seller first and provide proof you've tried.

If you call they may try to help, but have little legal power or right to do so as it's clearly not a fraudulent transaction (unless you can clearly demonstrate the retailer set out to permanently deprive you), rather just a sloppy poor retailer.

Although I empathise with your pain and annoyance I'd persist with the retailer for now over what is really a trivial amount.

Called Halifax and they were very helpful to be fair, they said to me after giving my side of the story that they would help and it would be sorted out for me so full marks to them.

There is no persisting with this guy, he just either ignores your emails, or sends back the same request for 'order confirmation' number/email time and time again. I've sent it 4 times over the last month, how long am I supposed to persist for! Plus as above with no contact number I can't even speak to the guy direct, wonderful.

It may be a trivial amount, but that's totally besides the point to be honest.
 
I'm glad they were helpful. Was just pointing out the issues you may encounter. Hope you get the money back - I hate retailer like this.

Ironically I'm actually talking to my bank as my credit card has been subject to fraud in Europe.
 
cj10jeeper said:
I'm glad they were helpful. Was just pointing out the issues you may encounter. Hope you get the money back - I hate retailer like this.

Ironically I'm actually talking to my bank as my credit card has been subject to fraud in Europe.

Thanks, I did appreciate the advice :thumbsup: Hopefully the bank will sort it, for both of us!

Nothing more frustrating than money from your pocket ending up in someone else's and you've got nothing to show for it :( Good luck with your case CJ
 
AndyBeech said:
cj10jeeper said:
I'm glad they were helpful. Was just pointing out the issues you may encounter. Hope you get the money back - I hate retailer like this.

Ironically I'm actually talking to my bank as my credit card has been subject to fraud in Europe.

Thanks, I did appreciate the advice :thumbsup: Hopefully the bank will sort it, for both of us!

Nothing more frustrating than money from your pocket ending up in someone else's and you've got nothing to show for it :( Good luck with your case CJ


Because mine is a fraudulent transaction they have already credited the money back to me as a disputed transaction. Credit card to be replaced and some form in the post to sign, so all good for now.
Done in a Spanish town I frequent so some scroats probably lifted my number in a garage when paying for fuel...
 
If you keep getting fobbed off then take it to the County Court - follow the pre-action protocol but be prepared to follow it through. If he is smart he will cave once you've issued the paperwork - or face being summonsed to your local court, an expensive trip I would guess.

Having made a court claim for £6 I agree that the amount isn't always as important as the principle.
 
AndyBeech, try HarryFairbairn on bmwforums.info - they provide free postage and 15% forum discount. Cheapest around by far (from my experience). I've ordered about 20 parts so far (including that attachment you posted about in my thread).

Always comes Fedex'd - the two lads in sales/parts are Elliot and Stuart. Both super lads and very quick to help out. You don't need part numbers, but that can help. Post a thread and they'll respond with cost and a ref number - call them, Bob is your father's brother;

http://www.bmwforums.info/harry-fairbairn-bmw/

http://www.bmwforums.info/harry-fairbairn-bmw/16877-z4-shut-valve-bracket.html
 
JAD said:
AndyBeech, try HarryFairbairn on bmwforums.info - they provide free postage and 15% forum discount. Cheapest around by far (from my experience). I've ordered about 20 parts so far (including that attachment you posted about in my thread).

Always comes Fedex'd - the two lads in sales/parts are Elliot and Stuart. Both super lads and very quick to help out. You don't need part numbers, but that can help. Post a thread and they'll respond with cost and a ref number - call them, Bob is your father's brother;

http://www.bmwforums.info/harry-fairbairn-bmw/

http://www.bmwforums.info/harry-fairbairn-bmw/16877-z4-shut-valve-bracket.html

Cheers buddy! I've used Sopers before who were excellent to be fair ,but I'll give these guys a shout, see what prices they can come up with. :)
 
I bought my Zed from Harry Fairbairn and they were excellent, really helpful.

As far as the OP goes, it's very unusual for smaller companies to completely ignore customers or suppliers unless they have cash flow problems. I'd chase it back from your credit card company.
 
I've had a similar problem with them in the past! Toby can be a right bellend. I ordered parts worth £150, waited 2 weeks for them to show up, nothing came so I e-mailed them 3 times and still no response. Sent one final e-mail saying that I'm going to have to report it or my money back. With no surprise I got a response out of the idiot. He asked me for the order number in 3 different messages but I kept calm and just gave him it. He then tries to tell me that my parcels were definitely delivered because he can "clearly" remember packing them up for me, but can't provide me with a tracking number to prove and just keeps avoiding my questions. Then he has the cheek to tell me to give royal mail a phone and fill out a claims form.

If you were to look at my inbox, you would see that I have sent him 58 messages to try and get this resolved! All he does is avoid your questions and tell you that he is right because he thinks he is. I question him where my customer service and satisfaction lies and why I should go through the hassle of trying to chase up on orders that have been 'lost' as he claims which was completely not my fault, to which he again just replies "you will need to file a claim with the royal mail".

I call bulls**t to be honest. I would avoid at all costs! Protect your money and just buy from the dealer and save some peace of mind.
You were lucky that is was only £13 though...
 
Aeroadster said:
I've had a similar problem with them in the past! Toby can be a right bellend. I ordered parts worth £150, waited 2 weeks for them to show up, nothing came so I e-mailed them 3 times and still no response. Sent one final e-mail saying that I'm going to have to report it or my money back. With no surprise I got a response out of the idiot. He asked me for the order number in 3 different messages but I kept calm and just gave him it. He then tries to tell me that my parcels were definitely delivered because he can "clearly" remember packing them up for me, but can't provide me with a tracking number to prove and just keeps avoiding my questions. Then he has the cheek to tell me to give royal mail a phone and fill out a claims form.

If you were to look at my inbox, you would see that I have sent him 58 messages to try and get this resolved! All he does is avoid your questions and tell you that he is right because he thinks he is. I question him where my customer service and satisfaction lies and why I should go through the hassle of trying to chase up on orders that have been 'lost' as he claims which was completely not my fault, to which he again just replies "you will need to file a claim with the royal mail".

I call bulls**t to be honest. I would avoid at all costs! Protect your money and just buy from the dealer and save some peace of mind.
You were lucky that is was only £13 though...

Wow, remarkably similar, apart from the money involved obviously. Did you get it sorted?

I'm all for supporting the smaller businesses over the likes of BMW where possible but when you get service like this it really pisses me off you put faith in them and get shat on in return for what should be easily dealt with issues.
 
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