WTS 2007 Z4C 3.0si Sport - 2007 Z4R 3.0si Sport - both manual

[twozfour]

Hello everyone!

I’m in a rush relocating to Dubai (LHD, impossible to import RHD cars unless 30 y.o.) so very regrettably forced to sell my two Z4s. Both cars need to go quickly, so I post my ideal sale prices but I am very open to offers. Please feel free to ask for more details and pics (I have plenty with all details), I will keep updating the post.

IMPORTANT: Please abstain from commenting about the cars unless interested in buying. I’m not looking forward having arguments with people coming here to just comment on my cars. Please leave this post only as a place where me and potential buyers can discuss. Thank you.

1) E86 (coupe) 3.0si Sport 6 speed manual

Colour: black but wrapped purple with ceramic protection treatment, interior red leather
Mileage: 130024
MOT: being done next week (currently failed due to "anti-roll bar linkage ball joint DUST COVER severely deteriorated" and "tyre incorrectly seated on wheel" - two things that can be easily fixed in a few minutes) already booked the fix at Munich Legends
Mods: Eisenmann "road" quad pipe exhaust, carbon fibre rear spoiler, carbon fibre front grille, 5 series 18” wheels, Carpuride Android Auto / Apple Car Play unit
Work done: the car has been extensively restored by Munich Legends in 2022 (I can show invoice of around 7000£ for all the work required to bring the car to the best condition)
Issues: unfortunately a scratch on driver side bumper - door which will require repainting and rewrapping. Keyless door lock and electric mirrors are not working since the wrap was done (were working before, suppose the garage did not reconnect them correctly).
Spent on car (approximately, have to check and confirm the exact figures): 5000£ to buy, 500£ wheels, 1500£ exhaust, 500£ spoiler, 7000£ repairs, 5000£ wrap and ceramic treatment
Asking price: 10000£ - negotiable

2) E85 (roadster) 3.0si Sport 6 speed manual

Colour: Phoenix yellow freshly repainted in 2023, interior black leather
Mileage: 114847
MOT: done in March 2024
Mods: custom sport exhaust on original unit (done by previous owner), 18'' MAK wheels with Michelin Sport Pilot tyres (2022, only few hundred miles on them), carbon fibre rear spoiler (optional, not installed on car), Carpuride Android Auto / Apple Car Play unit
Work done: the car has been extensively restored by Munich Legends in 2022 (I can show invoice of around 7000£ for all the work required to bring the car to the best condition) and completely repainted by The Village Garage in 2024 (after a light collision - not structural, it just damaged the bumper, headlight and fender - caused by another vehicle while the car was parked in front of home. Damage was very minimal but because insurance considered a market value of just 400£ the car was totalled. I bought it back from them and had it fixed. Not sure what insurance status it has, but I’m 100% sure it doesn’t impact insurance quotes - not even need to mention it when quoting, this has worked for me since the car was put back on the road, on same old V5C).
Issues: The soft top is working fine but to be fair is a bit tired (not the mechanism, the trim). A little crack in a door panel (only cosmetic issue, very easy to fix). After the repaint, another little collision cracked one of the two front grilles and damaged the paint between the front grilles
Spent on car (approximately, have to check and confirm the exact figures): 5000£ to buy, 1500£ wheels and tyres, 500£ spoiler, 7000£ repairs, 300£ new steering wheel, 5000£ repaint
Asking price: 7500£ - negotiable

 

[Pondy]

IMPORTANT: Please abstain from commenting about the cars unless interested in buying. I’m not looking forward having arguments with people coming here to just comment on my cars. Please leave this post only as a place where me and potential buyers can discuss. Thank you.

Nope.

So you join the forum yesterday. Your first post is to try and flog your two cars for FREE, and you have the audacity to dictate the rules as to how you want the thread to be conducted?

Good one!

A purple wrap is gorgeous BTW. :lol:

 

[Beerman]

£5000 for a wrap and a ceramic coating is highly excessive.

The wrap doesn't add any value considering that panels have to be repainted and the wrap reapplied. Also the unwrapped panels currently. If it was £5000 for the wrap the next owner is facing a huge bill to fix the issues. That's taking the cost into mint condition low mileage examples.

£7500 for an E85 write off?

You know the car was written off, but don't know what insurance status it has? Really?

Neither of your prices are anywhere near the ballpark. Neither car looks like a good example and your prices are high.

 

[True-Blue]

IMPORTANT: Please abstain from commenting about the cars unless interested in buying. I’m not looking forward having arguments with people coming here to just comment on my cars. Please leave this post only as a place where me and potential buyers can discuss.

Putting important in bold text and capital letters and laying down the law will not endear you with most forum users here.

In addition, your asking prices, however negotiable they may be, are somewhat detached from the reality of the current Z4 market and that’s before you factor in that at least one of them has a CAT marker if previously written off by the insurance company. Have you completed any research into what E85’s and E86’s are selling for?

Anyway, best of luck

 

[Pondy]

Sorry but someone who owns both an E85 AND an E86 would seem to be an enthusiast. Therefore, why has the OP only joined the forum (as this is THE forum for Z4 enthusiasts) yesterday to sell both cars?

Something doesn't sound right here at all IMO.

 

[twozfour]

Guys, I appreciate the comments but please, commenting just because you can't help the resisting the temptation isn't really helpful for anyone.
I wrote that "rule" because I have been a user in the past and I've seen situations where sale posts have been heavily commented, derailing the purpose of the post, and some users commenting wrote "if the OP didn't want comments he should have said". So I did say. You just can't ever win with people that just looks for any good reason to comment, I guess.

As I said, the prices are very negotiable. I guess I am allowed to have aspirations? I transparently listed all the money spent in the cars - all verifiable in detail by showing invoices to those that should be interested. I'm relatively aware of market and my list prices (which I'm aware are just my aspiration) are way less than half what was spent on cars - particularly the two huge restoration bills by what's arguably the best independent specialist garage for vintage BMWs in the country, Munich Legends.

There is nothing fishy here, I am indeed an enthusiast but not the social type. Therefore I am candidly joining the forum just to sell the cars because I think it's the best way to make the opportunity known to the largest number of enthusiasts - I love the cars (clearly as I spent stupid amounts of money in them) and I'd love them to find another passionate owner rather than ending in some scrapyard as they would should the time run off with no sales.

About the write off, as I wrote it doesn't affect insurance, which never communicated me clearly about it. So I'm genuinely confused about it and never paid for a report to tell me which category was applied (if any, I just don't even know how it works). I know I kept the same V5C and only had to MOT the car after the repairs - as it took a while and in the meantime I had SORNed the car.
IMHO It's stupid that a car with very light, not structural damage gets written off just because the insurance considers a market value of 400£ when normally you can't buy one for less than 5k£ (current AutoTrader prices). But anyway, I am not here commenting on someone else's (the country) rules.

The scratch repair is not "a huge bill" job. A few hundreds for a repaint and a few hundred for rewrapping the fender and door (already quoted by the same provider that did the job originally - I only haven't done it because the garage always needs booking a slot months ahead). I can give all references for that to anyone interested.

 

[Beerman]

Guys, I appreciate the comments but please, commenting just because you can't help the resisting the temptation isn't really helpful for anyone.
I wrote that "rule" because I have been a user in the past and I've seen situations where sale posts have been heavily commented, derailing the purpose of the post, and some users commenting wrote "if the OP didn't want comments he should have said". So I did say. You just can't ever win with people that just looks for any good reason to comment, I guess.

As I said, the prices are very negotiable. I guess I am allowed to have aspirations? I transparently listed all the money spent in the cars - all verifiable in detail by showing invoices to those that should be interested. I'm relatively aware of market and my list prices (which I'm aware are just my aspiration) are way less than half what was spent on cars - particularly the two huge restoration bills by what's arguably the best independent specialist garage for vintage BMWs in the country, Munich Legends.

There is nothing fishy here, I am indeed an enthusiast but not the social type. Therefore I am candidly joining the forum just to sell the cars because I think it's the best way to make the opportunity known to the largest number of enthusiasts - I love the cars (clearly as I spent stupid amounts of money in them) and I'd love them to find another passionate owner rather than ending in some scrapyard as they would should the time run off with no sales.

About the write off, as I wrote it doesn't affect insurance, which never communicated me clearly about it. So I'm genuinely confused about it and never paid for a report to tell me which category was applied (if any, I just don't even know how it works). I know I kept the same V5C and only had to MOT the car after the repairs - as it took a while and in the meantime I had SORNed the car.
IMHO It's stupid that a car with very light, not structural damage gets written off just because the insurance considers a market value of 400£ when normally you can't buy one for less than 5k£ (current AutoTrader prices). But anyway, I am not here commenting on someone else's (the country) rules.

The scratch repair is not "a huge bill" job. A few hundreds for a repaint and a few hundred for rewrapping the fender and door (already quoted by the same provider that did the job originally - I only haven't done it because the garage always needs booking a slot months ahead). I can give all references for that to anyone interested.

I think you've drawn comments because your advert is fishy. I think it is fair to point out significant errors and misleading advice.


The car is a category N write off. You should be telling your current insurance company it is a write off. I think they all specifically ask if the car has previously been written off. Not disclosing information can invalidate your insurance. Being a write off does affect your insurance.

When you bought the car back from the insurance company a new V5C should have been issued. You have an out of date V5C issued prior to the total loss.

How can the wrap and ceramic coating cost £5000, but to remove the wrap, respray the panels, and then reapply new wrap only be hundreds?

 

[twozfour]

You’re making wrong assumptions. Insurance is the same that insured the car before and after the incident. They very well know the whole history of the car. They reassured me that nothing was going to impact the premium and readded the car to the multi-car policy when it was time to put it back on the road. It’s the insurance agents (more than one) that told me I didn’t need to even mention it when I’d need cover.

As I already said I’m not sure what they did - they just told me I had the option to keep the car (but getting less money) instead of sending it to a scrapyard for a little more money. V5C hasn’t changed and the car was correctly MOTd and taxed with the old one. No transfer of ownership happened. The “buy back” thing might just be how the insurance clerk worded the alternative option that was avoiding the total write-off. The whole thing was confusing and stressful and I couldn’t be bothered insisting for more details. If someone is interested buying the car we can obviously figure out the CAT status. To me personally it’s not interesting to know as it makes no difference at all.

The important thing I believe is that I transparently disclosed that this event happened.

Also about the wrap you’re very confused: 5000 was for the whole car. Damage is only on two panels. That’s why it doesn’t need to cost thousands. You only repair what’s damaged, duh.

As I said, please refrain from posting unnecessary comments just for the sake of arguing on someone’s sale post. Really have no better way to spend a Saturday night than discussing this? Sorry for you. Go have a beer instead maybe, beerman.

 

[j3nks79]

You just need to be a realist to sell cars in here. Forget about your “aspirations”.
Most people on here will know the values of these.

Let me help you out. A coupe of your age and miles is currently worth around £6500 in good condition.
Your wrap isn’t helping and I’d say you would be lucky to see £5k in the current market.

The yellow one was probably worth around £5k if it wasn’t a write off.
So that’s probably now £4ks worth.

 

[Fred Smith]

Hard cars to value I would have thought. The trouble you would seem to have is that broadly speaking most people seem to fall into one of two broad categories - people who are willing to pay strong money for lovely condition, original, relatively low mileage examples, and people who are more interested in buying cheaper cars, open to buying higher mileage, and wanting to customize (which makes an already customized car perfect as you can't lose value by customizing an already customized example.)

Can't say I'm interested interested... but always open to considering a bargain - if you still have them 2 days before your flight drop me a message.

 

[Fred Smith]

Also, what did the extensive restorations involve?

How come a car can be extensively restored and two years later fail an MOT for parts severely deteriorated?

 

[Beerman]

You’re making wrong assumptions. Insurance is the same that insured the car before and after the incident. They very well know the whole history of the car. They reassured me that nothing was going to impact the premium and readded the car to the multi-car policy when it was time to put it back on the road. It’s the insurance agents (more than one) that told me I didn’t need to even mention it when I’d need cover.

As I already said I’m not sure what they did - they just told me I had the option to keep the car (but getting less money) instead of sending it to a scrapyard for a little more money. V5C hasn’t changed and the car was correctly MOTd and taxed with the old one. No transfer of ownership happened. The “buy back” thing might just be how the insurance clerk worded the alternative option that was avoiding the total write-off. The whole thing was confusing and stressful and I couldn’t be bothered insisting for more details. If someone is interested buying the car we can obviously figure out the CAT status. To me personally it’s not interesting to know as it makes no difference at all.

The important thing I believe is that I transparently disclosed that this event happened.

Also about the wrap you’re very confused: 5000 was for the whole car. Damage is only on two panels. That’s why it doesn’t need to cost thousands. You only repair what’s damaged, duh.

As I said, please refrain from posting unnecessary comments just for the sake of arguing on someone’s sale post. Really have no better way to spend a Saturday night than discussing this? Sorry for you. Go have a beer instead maybe, beerman.

There is nothing unnecessary about the comments. Your advert is misleading and it was only fair it was brought up.

Being a write off does affect your insurance. If the car is subject to another write off the payout will be significantly lower. Some insurance companies won't insure cars previously written off. Many do ask you to disclose if the car was previously subject to a total loss.

It is odd that your insurance company only offered £400. Something was already affecting the value of the car.

The car is officially a category N write off. It's easy to find out and I struggle to believe you didn't already know that.

£5000 to wrap the whole car? Are we looking at the same pictures?

I'm fully aware that the buyer only needs to repair and re-wrap the damaged panels. It just makes no sense that the partial wrap you have cost £5000, yet removing the wrap, respraying panels, and then reapplying the same wrap will only be a few hundred pounds.

I'm sure any buyer that likes the purple will also want the side skirts to be wrapped.

 

[PDJ]

Just if and I say if I was to sell my Z4

I would be listing the work done and by who as I have used multiple companies for work I could not do

As well as the normal info and loads of good photos

Not just saying it was restored this means different thing to different people


So for starters

Vanos done
Rod bearings done
Oil pump sorted
Diff serviced
B12 suspension, oem replaced
Polly bushed through out
oil changed every 3K to 6K miles oil filter every 3K
135i front callipers
propshaft bushes and bearings replaced
All the suspension arms etc removed shot blasted and recoated if steel

Plus load more and a box file full of paper work to back it up

This comes to a total of more than the car is worth and know I would not recover the cost

 

[PDJ]

Work done: the car has been extensively restored by Munich Legends in 2022 (I can show invoice of around 7000£ for all the work required to bring the car to the best condition)

This looks like the list of work needed to bring it to a roadworthy condition

 

[Argyll Andy]

The scratch repair is not "a huge bill" job. A few hundreds for a repaint and a few hundred for rewrapping the fender and door (already quoted by the same provider that did the job originally - I only haven't done it because the garage always needs booking a slot months ahead). I can give all references for that to anyone interested.

ok so I’ll resist with ALL the “issues” on your advert and deal with something you’ve highlighted

So you can’t be @rsed waiting or booking the car in to get fixed but can guarantee the next owner that it’s easy. So if I bought the car in Scotland I’d need to wait months to get the car booked in, all the cost, and time, of getting it back down, getting somewhere to stay, hanging around for the car to get fixed and it’s only a minor issue, righto

Pictures in the ad certainly do NOT reflect enthusiast/loved cars. Dirt and rusty bolts everywhere, you’ve got a £3k E85 and £5k E86 at best!!

 

[twozfour]

Work done: the car has been extensively restored by Munich Legends in 2022 (I can show invoice of around 7000£ for all the work required to bring the car to the best condition)

This looks like the list of work needed to bring it to a roadworthy condition

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Thanks! That (and a lot more new bits) is exactly all that was done in 2022 to fix the car. The MOT you’re posting is from 2020, after the car was kept garaged for 2 years. So that’s part of what caused a 7000£ bill.

Just one thing as example: both axles were removed from the car and all bearings, joints etc etc etc were replaced. When I went to MOT in 2023 the guy that inspected the car complimented it saying “wow it’s like new underneath, you don’t see cars of this age like this”.

But yes of course I’m fishy and all that so please lonely incel internet conspiracy lovers keep berating.

 

[twozfour]

You just need to be a realist to sell cars in here. Forget about your “aspirations”.
Most people on here will know the values of these.

Let me help you out. A coupe of your age and miles is currently worth around £6500 in good condition.
Your wrap isn’t helping and I’d say you would be lucky to see £5k in the current market.

The yellow one was probably worth around £5k if it wasn’t a write off.
So that’s probably now £4ks worth.

I’ll accept 5£ and 4£ if you or anyone else is offering. Thanks, much appreciated, this is the first actually helpful post here. Is everything else necessary?

 

[twozfour]

Just if and I say if I was to sell my Z4

I would be listing the work done and by who as I have used multiple companies for work I could not do

As well as the normal info and loads of good photos

Not just saying it was restored this means different thing to different people


So for starters

Vanos done
Rod bearings done
Oil pump sorted
Diff serviced
B12 suspension, oem replaced
Polly bushed through out
oil changed every 3K to 6K miles oil filter every 3K
135i front callipers
propshaft bushes and bearings replaced
All the suspension arms etc removed shot blasted and recoated if steel

Plus load more and a box file full of paper work to back it up

This comes to a total of more than the car is worth and know I would not recover the cost

As I wrote I posted as I’m in a rush and I would update the post later. I also wrote that I’d share all the details, invoices etc to anyone interested.

 

[Fred Smith]

I’ll accept 5£ and 4£ if you’re offering. Is everything else necessary?

Why on earth ask 10 and 7 if you're willing to accept 5 and 4?

I kinda get that you have spent a lot and hope to get lucky finding a buyer who appreciates what you've done... but on the other hand two very strong asking prices for two cars with issues, one write off and one 130k miles, is asking for trouble.

I don't think he was offering, he was suggesting that those are more realistic asking prices that you might achieve, I think.

Edit - Where are you based - guessing not a million miles from me?

 

[twozfour]

I’ll accept 5£ and 4£ if you’re offering. Is everything else necessary?

Why on earth ask 10 and 7 if you're willing to accept 5 and 4?

I kinda get that you have spent a lot and hope to get lucky finding a buyer who appreciates what you've done... but on the other hand two very strong asking prices for two cars with issues, one write off and one 130k miles, is asking for trouble.

I don't think he was offering, he was suggesting that those are more realistic asking prices that you might achieve, I think.

Edit - Where are you based - guessing not a million miles from me?

I posted prices that I think are fair considering what I spent on the cars and how I know they run very well, after they’ve been taken care of by Munich Legends. I think the cars of most people here have not ever seen a specialist garage like that, and never spent that amount of money on them.

As I said I’m in a rush leaving the country so I’m happy to accept offers.

And yes I’m in Surrey between Redhill and Crawley.