Would you "take the knee"

Poll Poll Should everyone be kneeling for BLM at sporting events?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 4.7%

  • No

    Votes: 61 95.3%
  • Total voters
    64
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Flyingfifer

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 Fife, Scotland
TOPIC SAUCE

So following the Scotland v England Rugby game where 14 of the 30 players knelt the Ireland v Wales game none of the players knelt. Should sports stars be kneeling for BLM and would you?
 
this is probably going to descend into pages and pages of petty squabbling, but seeing as im in at the ground floor...

No, no sports star should be forced to do anything. If someone wants to take the knee, they can. If someone doesn't want to take the Knee, they don't have to. its like a standing ovation, but in reverse. Some do, some don't.

equally, just because you dont take the knee, doesnt mean you dont support something. personally, i think taking the knee has a lot more impact if players do it as an act of rebellion - ie during the US national anthem, when you should be standing.

does Irish or Welsh history involve slavery, or does Ireland or Wales still have racial inequality, particularly?

And to add to this - is Rugby particularly bad for racial inequality? id imagine there are a lot less black rugby players than black football players.... rugby is quite different to football...
 
All lives matter.equally. Sadly there is a great deal of injustice in the world. Making things better won’t happen using moral blackmail either. It appears that what is a legitimate concern has been infiltrated by political activists who have their own agenda.
 
I voted 'No'.

That's because I don't believe in the BLM 'political' movement. If it was purely as a show of solidarity against discrimination in all forms (sexuality, race, religion, coupe lovers) then I'd have no problem with it!

However, I've got no problem with anyone else wanting to do so - which goes against the BLM view that "if you're not with us, then you're against us". Forced obedience is not a good way to show support.
 
mmm-five said:
If it was purely as a show of solidarity against discrimination in all forms (sexuality, race, religion, coupe lovers) then I'd have no problem with it!
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I'm a Coupe supremacist :rofl: :rofl:
 
ALL LIVES MATTERS- NOT just black lives and I think this has over run it’s cause which is now having the opposite effect of what it was meant to achieve, which is a shame.
 
Not a chance, ever. Brillomaster sums it up. I won’t be forced into anything by anybody, nor do i support the BLM movement. I do however support equality in race and gender. :)
 
To me BLM is not about the issue if one persons life being more important than another's, rather that being black has it's own difficulties that I cannot truly understand and by taking the knee one acknowledges that fact.
 
brillomaster said:
this is probably going to descend into pages and pages of petty squabbling, but seeing as im in at the ground floor...
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I think that might be the point! This has got 'The Jab v2' writ large all over it as a thread :lol:
 
Candance Owens is absolutely spot on with her perspective on this topic. If you were to rank all of the problems and issues within the black community today, racism wouldn't appear within the top 20. In the week of George Flloyd's death (note I didn't say killing), there were 40 black on black murders in Chicago alone. Also, factor that 90% of black families across the US are single-parent families, the father simply doesn't stick around. The black community (and middle-class white people taking offence on other peoples behalf) need to stop shifting the focus and own these issues.

This BLM and taking a knee has actually given the tiny minority of racists in society a platform to get their 5 mins of fame. If people just stopped talking about it then it simply fades away. There is no systemic racism in this country.

And if there really was systemic racism in football then why do we see 40% of players in the Prem black or mixed race when there is only 6% of the total population. :headbang:
 
The only time i take the knee is when cleaning the wheels of the Z.

As said above most black deaths are black on black crime.
 
There’s some very good points made earlier in this thread. Yes there is a need to highlight racism as there is with any other injustice.

However, my issue/concern is that this is bringing politics into sport and I think that’s a dangerous way to go and potentially destructive for sportsmen going forward

They don’t play sport in Parrliament so keep politics out of sport and don’t use it as an audience just because it has a big following.

Let’s take a rugby example. Before a game some players take the knee and some don’t. If someone taking the knee specifically notices an opposite team member who remains standing, could that potentially make him an unfair target and perhaps the victim of an illegal/harder/high/reckless tackle just because they’ve expressed their opinion/beliefs prior to the game ?

I’ve played sport for many years with team members from all professions and salary scales. Once on that field people are purely judged on and respected for their sporting skills alone, nothing else.

Sport is a great leveller across communities and society and doesn’t need to be divided by political views

Take all the political troubles in Ireland with the Northern Ireland, Eire, UK, EU etc Through all this the Rugby team has avoided division and still represents the whole island of Ireland with no borders or exclusion. That’s how it should be.

Keep Politics out of Sport
 
GAZA62 said:
As said above most black deaths are black on black crime.
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But do you understand why that is? Again this is one of the fundamental points of BLM, the cycle of a poor education, low paid work, poverty and crime as the easiest way out of the ghetto
 
sars said:
GAZA62 said:
As said above most black deaths are black on black crime.
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But do you understand why that is? Again this is one of the fundamental points of BLM, the cycle of a poor education, low paid work, poverty and crime as the easiest way out of the ghetto
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The same thing happens in poor white areas but we dont take the knee for them again as said above all life matters no matter what colour your skin is
 
inkey$ said:
brillomaster said:
this is probably going to descend into pages and pages of petty squabbling, but seeing as im in at the ground floor...
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I think that might be the point! This has got 'The Jab v2' writ large all over it as a thread :lol:
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Cool, I am up for it!! Let the games begin..... :thumbsup: :rofl: :rofl:
 
Stevo1987 said:
inkey$ said:
brillomaster said:
this is probably going to descend into pages and pages of petty squabbling, but seeing as im in at the ground floor...
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I think that might be the point! This has got 'The Jab v2' writ large all over it as a thread :lol:
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Cool, I am up for it!! Let the games begin..... :thumbsup: :rofl: :rofl:
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Seems to be perfectly amicable and sensible so far with a general consensus that racism = bad and not supporting BLM doesn't = racism :thumbsup:
 
I have no issue with anyone "taking the knee" as long as they are not expecting me to do it, being pressurised themselves to do it or most importantly, they understand what it is they are showing support for. The majority think they are showing support for a minority group. They are not, they are showing support for an organisation with very precise political aims and objectives which are unthinkable in a modern tolerant society which promotes equality and diversity. I notice more and more footballers are going back to "Kick Racism out" and "show racism the red card" now they realise what it was they were supporting.
 
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